The Apprentice

glitch said:
.... Knowing that both Michelle and Ruth have been working for one of SAS's companies for the last six months and the fact that both will continue to work for SAS (Michelle as The Apprentice, Ruth in a different role) makes a mockery of the show...
Why? If the decision was made after the show was shot, what difference does it make whether SAS saw potential worth having in Ruth, and hired her too? After all, she's a go-getter, and a good sales person.

Or was she hired before the show? If so, it's news to me (not that I pay that much attention anyway).

glitch said:
I wonder if Michelle won because she was the best, or just the best for the job SAS had in mind for her. Mind you, was the job on the cards all along (in which case she's probably the ideal candidate) or was the job tailored to fit the winner?
Best what, though? Ruth was clearly the better sales person, but AS was looking for a company manager, not a sales person. He is, as I understand it, after an apprentice entrepreneur, which means someone that isn't only driven, determined and ambitious, but someone distinctly multi-skilled. Ruth (IMHO) is just too full-on, all the time, for that. At least, during the televised bits of the projects, she didn't show much ability to sit back and check out the forest, because she was busy selling the trees. The full-on aggression Ruth showed is fine, and an asset, providing you can reign it in and only show it when it suits you. Ruth's attitude in the interview task clearly demonstrated an inability to judge situations and people, and act accordingly. A lot of the time, full-on will work in sales, but sometimes it'll put backs up and cost you the deal. And running a company is very different from just selling, whether retail or commercial. I'd hire her as a Sales Manager, maybe even Sales Director (though I'm not sold on that), but not as an MD. She doesn't have the vision or adaptability .... or if she does, she hid it well.
 
IIRC in last weeks ep Michelle got shot down in an interview for relying on "instinct" and "gut-feeling" yet SAS's decision was based on "instinct"....

Yes but there's a very important distinction that you're overlooking.

Instinct is nonsense in the business world - it's about research and analytical thinking. That's the point the interviewer was making.

Instinct about people is completely different and can often be extremely valid.
 
Sequoia said:
Why? If the decision was made after the show was shot, what difference does it make whether SAS saw potential worth having in Ruth, and hired her too? After all, she's a go-getter, and a good sales person.

Or was she hired before the show? If so, it's news to me (not that I pay that much attention anyway).
Because we're led to believe that SAS acts on his instincts when in effect he's acting upon information gathered over a six month period. Now I'd probably want to do the same thing if I were in his position (I wouldn't give a £100k job to someone who effectively jumped through hoops better than the others) but it's a bit pathetic when we're led to believe the selection process is anything other than how it actually plays out.

I know a lot of the 'secrets' behind The Apprentice (thank you loud-mouthed berk at work) and it's kind of ruined the end result for me. I'm not going to say it's not good television but I'd rather know all the facts than be made to believe it's a 12 week interview process when it's clearly not.

I'll still watch the next series though and believe all over again.
 
VaderDSL said:
did SAS have a go at her for it though or was it just that interviewer who was playing devils advocate and trying to rile her?

It was one of the interviewers.



Johnny Girth said:
Yes but there's a very important distinction that you're overlooking.

Instinct is nonsense in the business world - it's about research and analytical thinking. That's the point the interviewer was making.

Instinct about people is completely different and can often be extremely valid.

Surely hiring someone to work for you is a business decision too and the decision should also be based on the facts avaliable etc?
 
glitch said:
Because we're led to believe that SAS acts on his instincts when in effect he's acting upon information gathered over a six month period. Now I'd probably want to do the same thing if I were in his position (I wouldn't give a £100k job to someone who effectively jumped through hoops better than the others) but it's a bit pathetic when we're led to believe the selection process is anything other than how it actually plays out.

I know a lot of the 'secrets' behind The Apprentice (thank you loud-mouthed berk at work) and it's kind of ruined the end result for me. I'm not going to say it's not good television but I'd rather know all the facts than be made to believe it's a 12 week interview process when it's clearly not.

I'll still watch the next series though and believe all over again.
Fair enough. I don't have the benefit of that 'secret' knowledge, though I'll admit to harbouring a distinct suspicion or two.

It's also not the giving of a £100k job on the basis of expert hoop-jumping that would worry me, but the giving of control over a new company and project. If it's a serious project, that requires careful selection of the person running things, especially if they're a novice at that job and at that level. I must admit, giving that level of responsibility to any novice, TV winner or not, would give me the heebie-jeebies. I just wouldn't do it. So, it'd be interesting to know the nature of the contract SAS has with the TV company, and with the Apprentice, and just how committed he is if they make a total pig's ear of things. I wouldn't mind betting he has a parachute in the contract.
 
I'm not sure if someone has already posted this, but I read in the Daily Mail today that Ruth is going through a divorce with her husband after she had numerous lesbian affairs at her workplace.
 
Alchemy said:
I'm not sure if someone has already posted this, but I read in the Daily Mail today that Ruth is going through a divorce with her husband after she had numerous lesbian affairs at her workplace.

AHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHA let me guess, shes the man in the relationship :p
 
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