The Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q – a 27” 1400p 144Hz Monitor with G-SYNC

why is it Asus and ourselves keep neglecting that this is an 8bit TN panel i.e. does not use dithering to acheive the full range of colours.
I would have thought they would hammer it home.
It's another reason this custom panel is costing so much and I think we need to bear this in mind as 8bit TN panels are rare in the wild, let alone at these specs.

It's one of the main reasons apart from increased resolution, g-sync and 144hz that makes me so interested in this likely expensive monitor.

I remember going from 60hz to 120hz, I likened it to one of the most fundamental user differences I had ever experienced with my PC upgrades. The other was SSD for the OS.

I see the rainbow effect in projectors so like to think I have 'fast eyes' and could never go back to 60hz.

However trying a friends 27'' dell at 1440p (the £600 IPS one) the immersion from the colours was astounding. I also didn't feel like the panel was 'lagging' in anyway during games, AC Black flag was amazing on his screen.

It makes me wonder if I still need fast refresh rates.

I'm hoping this monitor is £600 or less, then I will tempted to pre-order one.

But I am also having a hard time resisting buying a good IPS monitor, losing 3D vision (which I rarely use and NV seem to be giving up promoting) and desktop/gaming smoothness.

My XL2420T has been good to me, but its colour rendition and pretyy lousy contrast ratios/black levels are getting to me having seen my mates Dell.

Hmm
 
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3t3P said:
why is it Asus and ourselves keep neglecting that this is an 8bit TN panel i.e. does not use dithering to acheive the full range of colours.
I would have thought they would hammer it home.
It's another reason this custom panel is costing so much and I think we need to bear this in mind as 8bit TN panels are rare in the wild, let alone at these specs.

It's one of the main reasons apart from increased resolution, g-sync and 144hz that makes me so interested in this likely expensive monitor.

I remember going from 60hz to 120hz, I likened it to one of the most fundamental user differences I had ever experienced with my PC upgrades. The other was SSD for the OS.

I see the rainbow effect in projectors so like to think I have 'fast eyes' and could never go back to 60hz.

However trying a friends 27'' dell at 1440p (the £600 IPS one) the immersion from the colours was astounding. I also didn't feel like the panel was 'lagging' in anyway during games, AC Black flag was amazing on his screen.

It makes me wonder if I still need fast refresh rates.

I'm hoping this monitor is £600 or less, then I will tempted to pre-order one.

But I am also having a hard time resisting buying a good IPS monitor, losing 3D vision (which I rarely use and NV seem to be giving up promoting) and desktop/gaming smoothness.

My XL2420T has been good to me, but its colour rendition and pretyy lousy contrast ratios/black levels are getting to me having seen my mates Dell.

Hmm
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Some thoughts on how 8-bit can benefit the experience on this sort of monitor here. There is a lot more to colour reproduction than just bit depth. Most critically, viewing angle performance is not influenced by bit depth - and that is a key factor that gives many IPS models the rich and consistent colours they're known for. Colour gamut on many of the 1440p models also tends to be a bit wider than sRGB, which can invite an extra bit of vibrancy as well. And of course screen surface will have to be taken into a account which is a bit of an unknown on the SWIFT currently. Yes it's matte, but that's not specific enough.
 
It looks to be a great monitor, hopefully it will force other manufacturers to make similar models or let the koreans at it then we can get it at price tags one can afford :)
 
PCM2 said:
Some thoughts on how 8-bit can benefit the experience on this sort of monitor here. There is a lot more to colour reproduction than just bit depth. Most critically, viewing angle performance is not influenced by bit depth - and that is a key factor that gives many IPS models the rich and consistent colours they're known for. Colour gamut on many of the 1440p models also tends to be a bit wider than sRGB, which can invite an extra bit of vibrancy as well. And of course screen surface will have to be taken into a account which is a bit of an unknown on the SWIFT currently. Yes it's matte, but that's not specific enough.
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PCM2 you're saying the 1440p TN panels have better colours anyway at the moment?
 
I really doubt anyone is going to be able to spot any practical difference between this supposed 8-bit TN Film panel and a Modern 6-bit+ FRC TN film panel in any kind of normal use. Same when You compare IPS panels which are 8-bit vs 6-bit +FRC versions
 
Does FRC cause any delay? I'd imagine the monitor needs to do some processing on the image to use FRC and if this is the case, I'd assume this would cause (probably negligible) delay before showing the image and would be the reason for 8bit over 6bit +FRC on a monitor where speed is the selling point.

I might be totally wrong on this though so feel free to correct me!
 
Baddass said:
I really doubt anyone is going to be able to spot any practical difference between this supposed 8-bit TN Film panel and a Modern 6-bit+ FRC TN film panel in any kind of normal use. Same when You compare IPS panels which are 8-bit vs 6-bit +FRC versions
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Definitely true for IPS panels. In my experience TN panels generally don't handle dithering as well. I have had 'normal' users comment on it and notice it. But in the grand scheme of things it's quite a minor issue really and we can't expect the SWIFT to perform any miracles ;).
 
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Basically it will probably be the same as any other TN panel except it will have 1440p gsync and 144hz.

It appears to be one of these marketing tactics often seen with hifi equipment, for example if you charge £10,000 for an amplifier people will assume it is definitely better than one costing £500.
 
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The X-bit and Dithering was addressed by Asus in the info given on this monitor I am sure is in this very thread or linked to.

I saw someone the other day bringing it up with a little negative scaremongering.

I tell you something if this monitor goes pop I would need find another (would never be new out box again though) or try this Asus as nothing so far is my cup of tea.
 
If they can actually get 8 bit colour accuracy similar to IPS as well as improve the viewing angles and get 1200:1+ contrast or similar out of it then it would be pretty nice, but still I would not buy it due to the price, good to see something new and it will mean that more of these 1440p 27" screens will come out hopefully a VA one.
 
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There are plenty of people that game on 1440p ips monitors as they wanted the higher resolution and were willing to pay the price in response time.

While some people swear by 120/144hz 1ms response times others say they are more happy at 1440p with ips and higher response times.

I think people buy into the marketing to much that they must have a 1ms response time "gaming" monitor for the win.....game on what ever you want/have.
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The number of 'gaming' ips monitors almost doesn't exist now .. I doubt if there'll be a flood of g-sync IPS. I mean can you imagine how bad the image is going to look at say 30-40hz with a panel with poor pixel responsiveness? It'd already look horrific on one with low response times.

I honestly think people have lost their minds with g-sync. I wonder how many will choose to run games at 60hz over 144hz on this particular monitor? I'm guessing practically nil. It's one thing choosing higher res / better colours at a lower refresh rate on one type of monitor, but it's quite another arbitrarily massively reducing refresh rate (in games which will have low fps) on the same monitor for the promise of minutely better frame times and no screen tearing (which is rare in most games even without vsynch).
 
No problem weasel old chap, I was going to go for "size 7" but I decided that was overkill and that "size 6" was sufficient to emphasise the point. I apologise if you feel this was an abuse of the available font options.
 
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