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1kiwi · 28 Jul 2014 at 22:13

Stormar said:
i just unlocked the deagle today its a fun gun for sure

I love it. Just had a round where I peaked around the corner and there were 2 - few shots with the SCAR, peaked back with deagle and double kill

It really makes up for the SCARs limited mag.

tbyeah · 28 Jul 2014 at 23:58

Had a few really good games with randoms tonight, playing all kinds of game modes. Playing Rush on Naval Strike (horribly balanced but ok if the teams are unequal skill level) and going around with a guy on a hovercraft, driveby c4'ed a full attack boat

1kiwi · 29 Jul 2014 at 08:10

Had some good games last but **** me some support players are retards not dropping ammo. Only upside is solo DEAGLE missions.

HazardO · 29 Jul 2014 at 09:06

Just had time for one round last night, Pearl market conquest.

When I joined the enemy had all but one capture point. joined a nearly full squad and within 5 mins we had completely turned it around with some good co-operative teamwork. Get autobalanced, find new squad and we turn the tide again. 2 of the squad left before the end of the game sadly which scuppered the ace squad, but a big ticket difference..

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/493827666457795648/247671749/

1kiwi · 29 Jul 2014 at 10:41

Been steadily lowering my sensitivity since getting the Asus monitor. Not sure if it's just the impact of higher resolution or the reduction of lag over my 120hz iiyama. That SCAR-H is a beast with angled and muzzle break. Really nice gun on sniper heavy maps.

HazardO · 29 Jul 2014 at 11:15

1kiwi said:
Been steadily lowering my sensitivity since getting the Asus monitor. Not sure if it's just the impact of higher resolution or the reduction of lag over my 120hz iiyama. That SCAR-H is a beast with angled and muzzle break. Really nice gun on sniper heavy maps.

Better than the bulldog?

1kiwi · 29 Jul 2014 at 11:49

HazardO said:
Better than the bulldog?

I find the SCAR more rewarding - it rewards accuracy and has fantastic range. The bulldog is just hax

HazardO · 29 Jul 2014 at 11:57

The gun I've found to be Hax recently is the MPX, it's a beast!

Locky · 29 Jul 2014 at 12:29

HazardO said:
Better than the bulldog?

The Bulldog is crap and has 0 range, good for close quarter maps only.

1kiwi · 29 Jul 2014 at 12:54

HazardO said:
The gun I've found to be Hax recently is the MPX, it's a beast!

Not tried it. Seems like a good Zavod gun

Sasso · 29 Jul 2014 at 13:40

was watching skittles streaming and playing with this... the hip fire on it seems insane! (MPX that is)

TehBluebear · 29 Jul 2014 at 14:44

For each weapon class, are there any clear 'bad' guns, or do they all simply depend on what you prefer out of a gun? (accuracy over power etc).

For example, there's two LMGs, the LSAT and the AWS, both have exactly the same stats but the LSAT has a fire rate of 700, whereas the AWS has a fire rate of 800. Would there be any point to using the LSAT whatsoever? Surely they wouldn't make a weapon completely obsolete? (Unless that isn't the case for those without the DLC).

EDIT: And another stats comparison: RPK-74M vs AWS.
The RPK has 10 more accuracy and 7 more range than the AWS. How does that stack up against having 20 less hipfire, 30 less stability and 200 less rate of fire than that of the AWS? Do we discount the accuracy of the RPK and choose what seems to be the superior weapon (the AWS) in terms of numbers? Or do we have to weight the accuracy and range more?

What I'm trying to get at is, is there a way of seeing how important certain stats are in comparison to others? Or do we take the stats on face value and think that if one weapon has more higher numbers, that it's better?

tbyeah · 29 Jul 2014 at 15:11

Locky said:
The Bulldog is crap and has 0 range, good for close quarter maps only.

Woah, have you even used it

Its a monster at long range, with a mid zoom scope its like a DMR.

HazardO · 29 Jul 2014 at 15:11

TehBluebear said:
For each weapon class, are there any clear 'bad' guns, or do they all simply depend on what you prefer out of a gun? (accuracy over power etc).

For example, there's two LMGs, the LSAT and the AWS, both have exactly the same stats but the LSAT has a fire rate of 700, whereas the AWS has a fire rate of 800. Would there be any point to using the LSAT whatsoever? Surely they wouldn't make a weapon completely obsolete? (Unless that isn't the case for those without the DLC).

EDIT: And another stats comparison: RPK-74M vs AWS.
The RPK has 10 more accuracy and 7 more range than the AWS. How does that stack up against having 20 less hipfire, 30 less stability and 200 less rate of fire than that of the AWS? Do we discount the accuracy of the RPK and choose what seems to be the superior weapon (the AWS) in terms of numbers? Or do we have to weight the accuracy and range more?

What I'm trying to get at is, is there a way of seeing how important certain stats are in comparison to others? Or do we take the stats on face value and think that if one weapon has more higher numbers, that it's better?

I'll let an expert answer that, but I find some guns much more to my play style than others, and they do tend to be popular "noob" weapons.
I don't like guns with too much sideways recoil, I can cope better with quite large vertical recoil.

Sasso · 29 Jul 2014 at 15:11

there will be more differences in the "behind the scenes" numbers I imagine, e.g. difference in bullet pattern/spread, recoil characteristics? how they perform under tap/full-auto.

I imagine anyways as I've tried the lsat (briefly) and the AWS, and the AWS just had a much tighter grouping feel to it. could be in my head?

tbyeah · 29 Jul 2014 at 15:12

TehBluebear said:
For each weapon class, are there any clear 'bad' guns, or do they all simply depend on what you prefer out of a gun? (accuracy over power etc).

For example, there's two LMGs, the LSAT and the AWS, both have exactly the same stats but the LSAT has a fire rate of 700, whereas the AWS has a fire rate of 800. Would there be any point to using the LSAT whatsoever? Surely they wouldn't make a weapon completely obsolete? (Unless that isn't the case for those without the DLC).

EDIT: And another stats comparison: RPK-74M vs AWS.
The RPK has 10 more accuracy and 7 more range than the AWS. How does that stack up against having 20 less hipfire, 30 less stability and 200 less rate of fire than that of the AWS? Do we discount the accuracy of the RPK and choose what seems to be the superior weapon (the AWS) in terms of numbers? Or do we have to weight the accuracy and range more?

What I'm trying to get at is, is there a way of seeing how important certain stats are in comparison to others? Or do we take the stats on face value and think that if one weapon has more higher numbers, that it's better?

http://symthic.com/bf4-stats

If you want some really indepth stats.

Ayahuasca · 29 Jul 2014 at 15:27

Why is there only ever 1 full CTE server? It's actually astonishing how much better the game is. If DICE had waited 2 years and released the game with all these CTE fixes it wouldn't have received anywhere near as much criticism.

Fanatic · 29 Jul 2014 at 15:30

AWS (and any magazine fed LMG) doesn't do heavy supression like the belt fed LMGs. Also I think AWS has more assault rifle damage model than LMG, so damage drops off more at range.

MPX is defiantly the best PDW I think.

And the Bulldog can certainly do long range, just like the Scar.

tbyeah · 29 Jul 2014 at 15:31

I'll try the MPX, need a good one for assignments. The UMP45 isn't it's former BF3 self.

TehBluebear · 29 Jul 2014 at 16:36

tbyeah said:
I'll try the MPX, need a good one for assignments. The UMP45 isn't it's former BF3 self.

I just unlocked the UMP the other night, and I have to say I noticed that too. Didn't seem as 'hard-hitting' as it was in BF3.