The Bugatti Veyron..
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Im pretty confident that a properly set up and geared F1 car would go faster than a Veyron. F1 cars are not geared or set up aerodynamically for top speed.
Persoanlly I dont see it as that much aof an engineering hammerblow, far more than 1000HP has been reached off smaller engines, with less turbos. Check out the Hennessey Viper, 8L twin turbo and thats 1000HP, sure it doesnt have the luxury etc, but thats the way the cars designed internally, not mechanically.
14 years ago McLaren got 620HP out of a 6L V12 without any turbos or anything, and to get an extra 380HP Bugatti have had to have 8L and 4 turbos, hardly a huge engineering breakthrough really considering how far engines have advanced over the last 14 years.
No matter how much people argue it, Id have a Zonda F over a Veyron without a second thought.
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amen.
Might be closer than you think though F1 car vs Veyron top speed. A quick google suggests the fastest ever recorded F1 top speed was only a little over 250mph, however, I believe this was still using an FIA approved F1 car spec at the time, i.e. it could have been used in a race. Not sure what implications that would have had, but maybe today we could see something quicker.
I dont think it can be compared. I have read a lot of reports about it being driven at very high speeds (200+) and the car still being stable and very quiet.
I am pretty sure that if you did the same sorts of speeds in any other vehicle it would be a very different experience. That was the whole point of the car in the first place though was it not? To be the fastest GT car in the world, sure there are a few cars that can even outrun it, but none can do it in the same manner as the Veyron.
Having never driven anything thats even comparable, I think its hard to argue. Its one thing reading the specs on the internet but I can imagine actually driving the thing is astonishing.
I am pretty sure that if you did the same sorts of speeds in any other vehicle it would be a very different experience. That was the whole point of the car in the first place though was it not? To be the fastest GT car in the world, sure there are a few cars that can even outrun it, but none can do it in the same manner as the Veyron.
Having never driven anything thats even comparable, I think its hard to argue. Its one thing reading the specs on the internet but I can imagine actually driving the thing is astonishing.
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I think the Veyron is a fantastic car. It's definatley a Concorde of cars. All the luxuries and the brilliant engineering that went into it.
You can't have Dull/Ugly in the same sentence. It's either Ugly ----- Dull ----- Beautiful.
A Veyron is definatley not dull!
You can't have Dull/Ugly in the same sentence. It's either Ugly ----- Dull ----- Beautiful.
A Veyron is definatley not dull!
BAR Honda driver Alan Van Der Merwe took a 067 F1 car to nearly 266 mph on the tarmac of Mojave Airport in California during a shakedown test for the Bonneville 400 speed record attempt.
Thought I might throw that one in the mix
Thought I might throw that one in the mix
Oh I expect to drive one someday, I sat in one a while back.
Can't see my owning one mind.
I think the Veyron is the pinnacle of German engineering in a car, really. Dynamically rock-solid, very quiet despite the ridiculous performance and very easy to drive.
One of the correct things Jeremy Clarkson said in his rather uncomfortable splurge about the Veyron is how mind-bogglingly competent it is. Therein lies its problem with car fans.
Whilst it is pretty much the superlative in terms of things that can be measured for a 'production' car, such surpassing brilliance is not why most people by them. If they were, Italian and British car manufacturers would have gone out of business ages ago. It's a car's foibles which give it personality: the Veyron has none, which limits its emotive appeal.
The F40 will always be more involving to drive, a more raw experience because that's how it was designed as a car. It's probably rubbish to drive through a town centre, ridiculously uncomfortable on anything other than pristine tarmac, but drivers forgive this because of its malleability and tactile nature.
But then the car I aspire to own is a new Audi RS6, not a second-hand Ferrari.
One of the correct things Jeremy Clarkson said in his rather uncomfortable splurge about the Veyron is how mind-bogglingly competent it is. Therein lies its problem with car fans.
Whilst it is pretty much the superlative in terms of things that can be measured for a 'production' car, such surpassing brilliance is not why most people by them. If they were, Italian and British car manufacturers would have gone out of business ages ago. It's a car's foibles which give it personality: the Veyron has none, which limits its emotive appeal.
The F40 will always be more involving to drive, a more raw experience because that's how it was designed as a car. It's probably rubbish to drive through a town centre, ridiculously uncomfortable on anything other than pristine tarmac, but drivers forgive this because of its malleability and tactile nature.
But then the car I aspire to own is a new Audi RS6, not a second-hand Ferrari.
The typical buyer of a super car doesn't buy it because it has foibles - they buy it for the brand. Ferrari, Aston etc. can churn out dangerous and/or terrible cars, and they will sell, because it's what they are. The Bugatti sells in smaller numbers than the others because it is in a different price league and it doesn't have quite the same image (yet). I know someone who drives a DB9 - he can't afford a Veyron, and doesn't really know what it is other than "that really fast car"!
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Oh I expect to drive one someday, I sat in one a while back.
Can't see my owning one mind.
I'd much prefer an EB110 or F40, technical masterpiece the Veyron might be but it seems to be missing that 80's super/hypercar soul
I always get the feeling the Veryon is purchased as an object of status rather than for its automotive merits.
I agree. The number of people who can afford a Veyron is small. The percentage of those who also happen to be through and through car nuts, and aren't put off by the almost enthusiast "anti-status", is going to be, frankly, no more than a few dozen, I would have thought!
Oh I expect to drive one someday, I sat in one a while back.
Can't see my owning one mind.
Well maybe you half an ounce of credibility in this argument then.
I think people forget that the people that buy these cars dont go off to the internet and think hmm well it seems to be a deficit for VAG which is definitely not good. They just get on and buy the car and leave the arguing to the internet warriors.
It comes down to, I like the car, I'm going to buy it. I dont care what you think.
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Is that an Alfa Romeo GT?
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1l+ Sports bikes > Veyron
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Only a Wan... erm i mean Biker would think that...