The burning question, would a hybrid be better for me?

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 09:25

Taking a long hard look at things and one hard look at car savings

Suppose I don't have a car at present, petrol or hybrid in this situation ?

Leave for work around 5:30am 5 days a week, drive around 5-6 miles to work
Leave work at 3, come straight home, so another 5-6 Miles

One of the days I do this journey around 6pm, so that day becomes double miles

Other days I could be doing this again other days 20 miles more

Odd occaation I visit my mate who lives 100 or so miles away

Plug in is a no no. No where to plug it in, also I use it frequently (6/7 days a week)

Averaging 7000 Miles a year

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 13:10

Quartz said:
Do you need a car? Would an ebike do for work and could you take the train to your friend? You could charge the ebike inside.

Sorry no , that's not an option

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 13:11

I'll be keeping the car till it dies

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 13:19

M1k3H said:
Sounds like ideal mileage for an electric car.

Maybe so, but its not ideal for me and my situation

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 13:22

tom_nieto said:
Anywhere to plug in at work? I agree with @M1k3H that an electric car would work nicely for these short trips. Even a 100 mile trip should be no sweat for most things.

Your main benefit from a hybrid will be pure electric use which relies on being able to plug it into the mains presuming there's little traffic and you're below motorway speeds. A non-plug in hybrid will be beneficial for city work with stop start traffic.

My personal view would be that a 5-6 mile commute would be ideal for a bicycle, but I appreciate it's not always that straightforward and not a very "motors" friendly answer.

Plug in is not an option, nor is bike due to health issues

Just need to know if petrol or hybrid is best for me, which would yield better saving over the next 10+ years

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 16:03

paradigm said:
Used i3 REX? Technically not a hybrid, but would suit this type of mileage surely?

They do charge from the range extender, right?

i thought u had to plug in the BMW i3's ?

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 16:09

no, it is NOT possible to plug it in, its parked 1/4 a mile away over night

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 16:13

mjt said:
The problem with hybrids is that the petrol engine most likely will kick in anyway on your commute, as mentioned above.

ah, ok thank you

Question still stands though

Petrol or Hybrid over 10 + years for :

Leave for work around 5:30am 5 days a week, drive around 5-6 miles to work
Leave work at 3, come straight home, so another 5-6 Miles

One of the days I do this journey around 6pm, so that day becomes double miles

Other days I could be doing this again other days 20 miles more

Odd occaation I visit my mate who lives 100 or so miles away

Plug in is a no no. No where to plug it in, also I use it frequently (6/7 days a week)

Averaging 7000 Miles a year

im talking at MPG, tax, running costs etc etc

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 18:42

tom_nieto said:
If you can't plug it in and your journey isn't nose to tail stop start city traffic I'd agree with the above and go for a small petrol engine.

ok , thanks for all the help everyone

if i add this on, will you change your mind ? :

Driving an old Focus 1.8, computer says 28 MPG
on a normal week (work and going swimming, to the shops etc) is costing me approx £1300 in fuel alone (under 7K), with another £235 tax a year, so approx £1500 a year

i am hoping to cut this down by half (if its possible)

ShiWarrior · 25 Jan 2020 at 21:33

Dolph said:
If you can charge at home, go electric.

nope

ShiWarrior · 26 Jan 2020 at 11:42

thanks Chris

ShiWarrior · 26 Jan 2020 at 13:33

Jonnycoupe said:
As you have seemed to have pigeon holes decent cars into the premium sector then you can’t really ignore the Porsche Panamera and cayenne flagship model plugin hybrids?

But then we are talking about replacing an old focus here so I’m not really sure why something like a Prius, Auris or Insight fails the brief?

what’s the budget for this costly new car to save pennies? I would focus on what you want, it might already be the Focus.

well, ive been looking on and off for 2 years now

my list as a minimum seems to come back with cars costing £10K +

Auto
Focus Sized car
LED lights or Xenons
LED DRL
Automatic Emergency Braking
Blutooth
USB port for my music
Sat Nav (optional) (i use my TomTom but id like integrated )
Parking Sensors
Folding Mirrors

1L Ecoboost Titanium X = £12K minimum
Toyota Auris Hybrid £12K minimum
Lexus CT200h Hybrid £12K minimum
Leon 1.4 Petrol FR near enough the same
others seem to be higher fuel consumption or tax

Hybrid seems best option ?
£0 tax
More economical
Same / less service costs
Less moving parts = more reliable

thats what ive been looking at , but i could be wrong here

keeping the car so as i thought manufactures are only going to be making Hybrids and Electric cars soon, and more and more people going over to Hybrids and Electric cars, then cost of hybrids wont depreciate as fast as the petrol alternative will

ShiWarrior · 26 Jan 2020 at 15:46

inflames said:
I personally think a hybrid would be a very good choice for the OP needs. I diss agree with Fox on that Hybrids tend to be lesser models, etc. If i was looking at Hybrids i would only be looking at Lexus or Toyota they have been building them for a long time. Sorry if i missed it, but size of car do you require?

looking at the Auris / CT 200h
so Focus sized as im quite tall
i don't like small cars, but i don't like huge cars either

see post #38

ShiWarrior · 26 Jan 2020 at 17:33

too big lol (and more Money for the top spec)

i like the boot design on the Focus sized car, this IS is like a saloon to me and makes me think its a big car

same with a Prius

ShiWarrior · 28 Jan 2020 at 21:15

hmm so mixed opinions

Regardless of depreciation and cost to buy, out of say these 2, what what yield me better results on money saving ? (tax, fuel, service, etc etc) and would it be much difference between the two ?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...chad=New&maximum-badge-engine-size=1.6&page=1

or

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...sing-location=at_cars&price-from=10000&page=1

ShiWarrior · 29 Jan 2020 at 11:03

HangTime said:
Surely you must be able to get a Leon with that spec for under £10k? Even the ancient mk2.5 I think can be had with all that except maybe auto brakes. e.g. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201912024944142?make=SEAT&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=sp12ph&transmission=Automatic&radius=1500&model=LEON&sort=price-asc&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&minimum-badge-engine-size=1.4&maximum-badge-engine-size=1.4&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1
(High mileage, but you say you are going to run it into the ground, so you don't need to worry about trying to sell it, and are only putting 7k/year on it which will bring the average miles per annum down. If you wanted something lower mileage you could get an older one or put a bit more money in and still come out under £10k).

nice as it is, id want 5-door, and the millage is higher than what i have now, so a bit of a down grade, i like buying low mileage cars

theres this one but i hate the Colour:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907190258798?quantity-of-doors=5&fuel-type=Petrol&maximum-mileage=60000&make=SEAT&maximum-badge-engine-size=1.4&transmission=Automatic&postcode=ox394je&aggregatedTrim=FR&year-from=2012&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Hatchback&radius=1500&model=LEON&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly

or this one :

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...rly New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&page=1

ShiWarrior · 29 Jan 2020 at 12:41

Psycho Sonny said:
Have you looked at the lexus IS 300?

yes, too big , but thanks anyway

recommending me cars is ok, but as i said i need to know what would save me money in the long run for the journies i do
i still think hybrid would be best for me, than petrol, but im not sure?

ShiWarrior · 29 Jan 2020 at 13:21

ive not seen any charging points around here yet, i am in the sticks though

Also the fact that if they are in use, im ******

ShiWarrior · 29 Jan 2020 at 14:26

Thanks Bug One

no not talked out of a Hybrid, trying to see which would be better, if you are correct then a little engine with a turbo is the best way to go ?

ShiWarrior · 29 Jan 2020 at 15:43

Psycho Sonny said:
the hybrids do like 50-60 mpg in the ct200h guise.

so what would a non hybrid do? 40mpg?

then take in the cost of petrol per number of miles per year. then the cost of the cars into it.

so how much is the petrol car costing vs hybrid?

what is the difference in mpg? and how many miles per year do you do?

all you need to is a spreadsheet and it will tell you which is better for you.

as i said , cost my car around £1,300 a year (fuel) , add 235 tax to that = £1500
on board CPU says 28.5 mpg

i have a budget spreadsheet, and i pay around £60 a month on fuel
approx 7000 miles a year