Indeed, which is why liberal thinking and left wing thinking are incompatible, because left wing economics requires people to be forced by the state to give up their money or their labour...
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Indeed, which is why liberal thinking and left wing thinking are incompatible, because left wing economics requires people to be forced by the state to give up their money or their labour...
How do you marry that with socialism which requires an incredibly forceful state to take the majority of peoples wealth/work from them?
As proved by the result of raising tuition fees, we saw riots over that, how much of a fight would we see when you want to increase everyone's tax hugly?
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In which case i'll do as meghatronic did earlier and reject both of those posts, on the grounds that there is no existing requirement for a free and equal society to have an oppressive and controlling state.
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You are missing a variable - the people.
Are you talking about equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? Equality of outcome can only come from force of state when you start dealing with actual real people. People with freedom and equality of opportunity result naturally in unbalanced outcomes.
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Okay, lets look at the situation here. Lets start with our country. Fear mongering and controlling state? Check. Free and equal society? Nope.
Authoritarianism is needed to keep the people in check, as it is now. Not to force people to be nice to others, which i hope is not what you're suggesting as that idea is so utterly absurd to me.
Yeah, it seems as soon as the Conservatives got it the work-shy benefit scroungers became poor victims of the system
You really do like making stuff up don't you? Rather than argue against what people actually write, you argue against what you wanted them to write instead.
Which doesn't actually answer my point, the peculiarities of non-dom status are quite a british thing, however methods for avoiding additional tax on earnings already taxed in another country are probably quite widespread.
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I'm satisfied with what they're currently doing.
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Socialism is the politics of jealousy, it ignores the creation of wealth and instead concerns itself with making sure nobody has too much. The end result is that the total is far lower.
In the free market when someone is successful people say "How can we do the same and have success too?"
In socialism when someone is successful people say "Well done, but you have too much money and other people desperatly need it"
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Well done for showing little understanding and yet forming a concrete viewpoint on the subject. Socialism does not ignore the creation of wealth, it glorifies it. People do what they want to do and what will make them happy, not what they have to do to put food on the table. Why would there be money in such a society? Money is merely the tool through which the few are able to exploit the many. Believe it or not, happiness lies not in the things you buy, but in the things you do. In Capitalism you have three states of living - sleep, work and free time. In Socialism you do something you enjoy to the end that 'work' and 'free time' are indistinguishable.
Has any one else noticed there is a very noticeable cycle in British politics?
Labour in, enters after the Tories fixes the country and thus becomes unpopular, cocks up and leaves a mess.
Labour out, Tories in - cleans up but at the cost of being painful. Everyone hates them as a result.
Labour in, Tories out - the cycle continues.
The 3rd party (LD) breaks up/changes all the time without getting power.
Labour in, enters after the Tories fixes the country and thus becomes unpopular, cocks up and leaves a mess.
Labour out, Tories in - cleans up but at the cost of being painful. Everyone hates them as a result.
Labour in, Tories out - the cycle continues.
The 3rd party (LD) breaks up/changes all the time without getting power.
His grammar is fine. You are ignoring his current points as you have his previous ones.
He'd be better off using as instead of like, but that's a minor and arguably subjective point.
I don't mind people correcting me, I'm well aware of the fact that my grammar isn't good and I am trying to improve it.
Thanks for the tip.Which, as was queried at length many times over and never answered in the thread in SC, is an idealised view with little bearing on having a functioning country or indeed any form of real world.
In reality, a socialist state is like the left wing states we've already experienced, a horrible authoritarian place where the state starts telling people exactly what they must do in a far greater manner than any free market society.
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And what is there to stop an ideology from becoming a reality? I'll tell you - it's disbelief in the fact that the ideology can become a reality.
Your next point simply isn't true.
No, it's realism and the fact that other people don't share your views.
I want to sit at home and play Runes of Magic all day, that is going to be my job.
Are you going to let me, or are you going to tell me I need to do something else?
No, you are just simply unwilling to acknowledge the reality of the world.