The disappearance of Nicola Bulley

[fez]

Quite a few will be multiple incidents with the same person. That might also include late returners from leave in mental health settings.

I'm rather intrigued to know how many missing persons are never seen again.

Exactly. Some people will go missing dozens of times in a year. Others will be a teenager staying out with their mates on a 2 day bender etc. As with all numbers, context and breakdown is everything and the number on its own is largely pointless to look at.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Quite a few will be multiple incidents with the same person. That might also include late returners from leave in mental health settings.

I'm dealing with one now where a patient has turned up at the hospital multiple times only to always walk out and each time they are a missing person.
However the last time they walked out they went to a pub, got drunk and fell off a bridge so for some reason it's our fault.

 

[Werewolf]

I'm dealing with one now where a patient has turned up at the hospital multiple times only to always walk out and each time they are a missing person.
However the last time they walked out they went to a pub, got drunk and fell off a bridge so for some reason it's our fault.

That's obviously because you should be doing DOLO's* for every patient that turns up, that way you can lock them in,


*I hope I got that right.

 

[VincentHanna]

I believe that 80% of the people that go 'missing' are found within 24 hours.

So the 900 a day figure isn't telling the full story.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

That's obviously because you should be doing DOLO's* for every patient that turns up, that way you can lock them in,


*I hope I got that right.

DOLS
but you can't do them if they arrive and then walk out so all you can do is call the Cops.
You can't handcuff them to a bed.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

I believe that 80% of the people that go 'missing' are found within 24 hours.

So the 900 a day figure isn't telling the full story.

Is that 900 a day over the whole of the UK and that are not found within 24 hours?

 

[VincentHanna]

Is that 900 a day over the whole of the UK and that are not found within 24 hours?

Key statistics

Key statistics and figures Someone is reported missing every 90 seconds in the UK Over 170,000 people are reported missing every year There a

www.missingpeople.org.uk

• Missing people: of the 170,000 people reported missing nearly 98,000 are adults and more than 70,000 are children
• Missing incidents: of the 353,000 reported incidents, more than 137,000 incidents are adults and almost 215,000 incidents are children
• Looked after children are at high risk of being reported missing. 1 in 10 looked after children are reported missing compared to 1 in 200 children. Looked after children who are reported missing will be reported on average 6 times

Most of the people who are reported missing may be experiencing some kind of vulnerability or risk. This can be exacerbated by being missing, particularly where someone goes missing more than once.

80% of children are found within 24 hours
90% within 48 hours
Only 2% are missing longer than a week

75% of adults are found within 24 hours
85% within 48 hours
Only 5% are missing longer than a week

 

[potatolord]

DOLS
but you can't do them if they arrive and then walk out so all you can do is call the Cops.
You can't handcuff them to a bed.

Soon to be LPS. Well, if they ever manage to do the changeover.

They should have combined them to DOLLoPS, which would have been much funnier.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

So the difference with Nichola Bulley going missing is that as soon as it was reported she was put at the highest level so that's why it hit the media quickly.

In a press conference on Wednesday morning, Lancashire constabulary said Bulley, who went missing nearly three weeks ago, had “individual vulnerabilities” that put her in the highest category, meaning there was risk of her coming to serious harm.

 

[potatolord]

Key statistics

Key statistics and figures Someone is reported missing every 90 seconds in the UK Over 170,000 people are reported missing every year There a

www.missingpeople.org.uk

• Missing people: of the 170,000 people reported missing nearly 98,000 are adults and more than 70,000 are children
• Missing incidents: of the 353,000 reported incidents, more than 137,000 incidents are adults and almost 215,000 incidents are children
• Looked after children are at high risk of being reported missing. 1 in 10 looked after children are reported missing compared to 1 in 200 children. Looked after children who are reported missing will be reported on average 6 times

Most of the people who are reported missing may be experiencing some kind of vulnerability or risk. This can be exacerbated by being missing, particularly where someone goes missing more than once.

80% of children are found within 24 hours
90% within 48 hours
Only 2% are missing longer than a week

75% of adults are found within 24 hours
85% within 48 hours
Only 5% are missing longer than a week

Ta- very helpful.

A total of 5,300 were long term missing (over a year) as of March 2020. So, assuming that is cumulative, that's probably a few hundred a year- four or five a week.

 

[Werewolf]

DOLS
but you can't do them if they arrive and then walk out so all you can do is call the Cops.
You can't handcuff them to a bed.

I should have used a smiley, but yeah that's what I was referencing, basically you can't stop them walking out without a ton of paperwork.

Even when my mother was unable to get out of bed on her own, let alone do anything else we still had to go through a DOLS with social services/a specialist when she went into a care home that had keypad restricted exits as technically having restricted exits meant that she was being deprived of her liberty (ignoring the fact she couldn't get out of the bed, let alone use the lift or stairs, and get to the front door).

 

[fez]

I'm dealing with one now where a patient has turned up at the hospital multiple times only to always walk out and each time they are a missing person.
However the last time they walked out they went to a pub, got drunk and fell off a bridge so for some reason it's our fault.

Thats because whenever anyone who "could" have been saved isn't, we have an obsession with beating ourselves over the head with it despite it quite often being impossible to prevent or they are asking services which have about 1/10th of the required funding and staffing to operate like they have endless resources.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Nicola Bulley diver insists he’s 'proud' after he’s 'removed from expert list'

THE dive expert who searched for tragic Nicola Bulley says he is proud of his work – despite being removed from the NCA expert list. Peter Faulding’s Specialist Group International (SGI…

www.thesun.co.uk

National Crime Agency (NCA) removed Specialist Group International (SGI) from Expert Advisers Database last week after Peter Faulding embarrassed failure with £40,000 sonar equipment failed to find Nicola Bulley body in river on 27 January 2023.

Had NCA used other company instead of Specialist Group International or deployed many Lancashire police officers to walked 1 mile on both sides of 2 rivers Wyre and Brock searched for her few hours after reported missing on 27 January 2023 would found her or other company deployed boat or divers would likely found her body on same day hours after her last sighting. 21 days is far too long wasted huge Lancashire police resource and taxpayer money.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Even when my mother was unable to get out of bed on her own, let alone do anything else we still had to go through a DOLS with social services/a specialist when she went into a care home that had keypad restricted exits as technically having restricted exits meant that she was being deprived of her liberty (ignoring the fact she couldn't get out of the bed, let alone use the lift or stairs, and get to the front door).

During Covid we've had quite a few claims involving DOLS because we wouldn't let patients go out for a smoke or
The point is they're not supposed to go out anyway because we are a smoke free Trust but it doesn't help still having smoking shelters that haven't been removed.

 

[Werewolf]

Another group may or may not have found her, but I suspect what's done it for SGI is that he was talking to the press so much and IIRC basically saying the police were wrong from the moment he failed to find her.

Other companies may have tried other methods, and may have been more upfront about the limits of the equipment they were using, but the real killer for that sort of job is not just failure, but failure whilst bad mouthing the investigation because you couldn't have possibly failed, it means the police can no longer trust you to not hinder the investigation or put out statements that turn out to be incorrect.
IIRC the police have also commented on how unhelpful several retired officers who really should have known better were when they kept appearing in the press to say "well she's obviously not in the river, the police were wrong to rule out...", when the police never ruled anything reasonable out, but did concentrate on what they had evidence for, whilst still looking for other evidence.

During Covid we've had quite a few claims involving DOLS because we wouldn't let patients go out for a smoke or
The point is they're not supposed to go out anyway because we are a smoke free Trust but it doesn't help still having smoking shelters that haven't been removed.

I remember last July when my dad had a funny turn and I took him to A&E, he was feeling a lot better so went out to have a pipe after about an hour*, and about 2 minutes after he went out the nurse called for him :/

I appreciate trusts are now "smoke free" but at the same time for a lot of the elderly like my dad, a pipe or cig is something they're not only addicted to, but helps calm them down when they're stressed (dad has largely given up the pipe since he was in just before christmas). Having said that, once dad was booked in he didn't smoke, and he's always been like that which is part of the reason he doesn't like being in hospital


*He tends to have about 2-5 minutes puffing then stop (so lots of wasted baccy), and it's good going for him to last an hour without one.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I appreciate trusts are now "smoke free" but at the same time for a lot of the elderly like my dad, a pipe or cig is something they're not only addicted to, but helps calm them down when they're stressed

The claims are just during very heavy periods of Covid when it was really clinically unsafe to leave the building and come back in all the time.

Patients are outside all the time now with the two saddest being the amount of pregnant Mums smoking outside Maternity and you'll always see at least 3x chemo patients complete with bags & roller stands smoking outside the Cancer Centre

 

[TheVoice]

Had NCA used other company instead of Specialist Group International or deployed many Lancashire police officers to walked 1 mile on both sides of 2 rivers Wyre and Brock searched for her few hours after reported missing on 27 January 2023 would found her or other company deployed boat or divers would likely found her body on same day hours after her last sighting. 21 days is far too long wasted huge Lancashire police resource and taxpayer money.

Easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight but the reality isn't that simple.

Nicola Bulley: Why can it take so long to find bodies?

The science, skills and practice of finding bodies in water shows it is one of the toughest challenges in policing.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[kinetic747]

On the instructions of the coroner, they're searching the river again in the area she was found. Strange.

 

[rumple9]

I told you the boyfriend did it - looking for evidence

 

[Bubo]

On the instructions of the coroner, they're searching the river again in the area she was found. Strange.

I hope they still have sonar man's phone number.....So they can block it.