The Emirates FA Cup Final Chelsea v Leicester City ** Spoilers ** [15th May 2021]

I probably shouldn't really join in, as I'm not actually a football fan... but one of the reasons I don't watch is the silly rolling around on the floor when clearly there was not even any contact (thankfully I didn't see any of this in the 30 minutes I watched, well, almost none) which I would say delays the game more than waiting for the VAR. As an American Football fan, I was quite impressed how quick the decision came through tbh. In the NFL you can be waiting 3 minutes for the call :cry: (Obviously very different types of sport)

I did think they didn't present it very well on TV. Again, in NFL you'll be getting several different replays from different angles so you can almost enjoy making your own decision. Yesterday, they didn't even have a camera down the line, so you don't really have as easy a opportunity to make your own decision. I do get, of course, you can't as easily have a moving camera, to always have a 'down the line' view, like you can on the line of scrimmage in the NFL.
 
mid_gen said:
Do you enjoy watching players celebrate goals that then get disallowed?

I don't, it sucks all the joy out of the game. Either fix the system so the decision is within a few seconds, or get rid of it.
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Do you honestly believe that the better outcome is for Chelsea to potentially have won due to an goal that should have never stood?? Do you think the Leicester players deserve to miss out on a massive accomplishment to spare the feelings of the Chelsea players?

VAR is not perfect as ideally the offside would trigger before the ball is in the net, but it is better that we have the correct result.
 
PikeyPriest said:
Do you honestly believe that the better outcome is for Chelsea to potentially have won due to an goal that should have never stood?? Do you think the Leicester players deserve to miss out on a massive accomplishment to spare the feelings of the Chelsea players?

VAR is not perfect as ideally the offside would trigger before the ball is in the net, but it is better that we have the correct result.
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I think it's better to rely on the on-field match officials, and only fall back on VAR when a clear and obvious mistake has been made that led to one side gaining an unfair advantage.

The distances in offside decisions that now quite frequently decide the outcome of football matches, are not ones that are giving any significant advantage. In those circumstances, it should just be down to the on-field decision, so players and fans can actually celebrate goal-scoring.

Top-level football is a worse sport to watch since the introduction of VAR, and the majority of fans agree with me.
 
mid_gen said:
I think it's better to rely on the on-field match officials, and only fall back on VAR when a clear and obvious mistake has been made that led to one side gaining an unfair advantage.

The distances in offside decisions that now quite frequently decide the outcome of football matches, are not ones that are giving any significant advantage. In those circumstances, it should just be down to the on-field decision, so players and fans can actually celebrate goal-scoring.
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This turns it into a subjective decision though, which is acceptable as a review to an already subjective decision like whether a challenge was a red card or not but seems pointless on a factual decision like offside which is either on or off.
 
Kenai said:
This turns it into a subjective decision though, which is acceptable as a review to an already subjective decision like whether a challenge was a red card or not but seems pointless on a factual decision like offside which is either on or off.
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I think it's more important that the game flows and people can celebrate goals, than the offside line is adhered to down to the millimetre.

It should be down to clear and obvious mistakes that lead to an advantage, not someone's shoulder being an inch offside. Go and watch bowls if measuring tape is what gets you off.

Besides that, VAR is not factual. In a very tight decision it comes down to the VA referee making a subjective call based on the blurry freezeframes.
 
mid_gen said:
I think it's more important that the game flows and people can celebrate goals, than the offside line is adhered to down to the millimetre.

It should be down to clear and obvious mistakes that lead to an advantage, not someone's shoulder being an inch offside. Go and watch bowls if measuring tape is what gets you off.

Besides that, VAR is not factual. In a very tight decision it comes down to the VA referee making a subjective call based on the blurry freezeframes.
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So who decides whether someone was clearly and obviously offside or only just but not enough or only just but just enough? It's a complete nonsense of an idea and it wouldn't work.
 
Kenai said:
So who decides whether someone was clearly and obviously offside or only just but not enough or only just but just enough? It's a complete nonsense of an idea and it wouldn't work.
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It's not an idea, it's how video assistants are implemented in other sports that have already been using it for years and found the right balance between anal retentiveness and an enjoyable sport.
 
They should just ban the use of lines because the technology is not perfect anyway and like mid_gen it ruins the flow, if VAR can't see an obvious mistake with naked eye then just go with the on field decision.

Personally though, I don't see why VAR hasn't been deemed as a failure already. When it was brought in the expectation was that it would get rid of any controversy when in actual fact it hasn't and the fact that decisions are being made by some shadowy figure and not the referee just makes bad decisions seem all the more bent. There have been clear cases where decisions have been made purely in the interest of keeping a game interesting.

People talk about offside as a matter of fact but then argue against a handball when the ball clearly strikes a players hand. If handballs can be made subjective then so can offsides.
 
mid_gen said:
It's not an idea, it's how video assistants are implemented in other sports that have already been using it for years and found the right balance between anal retentiveness and an enjoyable sport.
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There can’t be any grey areas though. In Rugby League when interpretation comes into it it depends which referee is the video ref on how a decision may go.

As the rules stand he was offside. With no VAR, if the linesman didn’t flag he would be wrong and that would be the point of discussion. I might be missing something but people seem to be bothered that VAR got the decision right.
 
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