I'm not sure how possible it is with handballs but it's happening with offsides. A new system is coming in the next 18 months, that's why nothing will change before then.
The Emirates FA Cup Final Chelsea v Leicester City ** Spoilers ** [15th May 2021]
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I will say automated or not the law needs to change they can’t keep giving people offside for leaning or reaching out an arm It is a nonsense, if they are going to insist on this mm perfect interpretation they at least need to draw the line through the feet (I would still go daylight) Reaching your arm out or leaning as you run shouldn’t be penalised it’s silly.
Just watched the highlights again that is one heck of a goal brilliant hit and a couple of top draw saves to keep them in it.
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It wouldn't be beyond Chelsea to sack Tuchel if he loses the CL final and the FA cup, despite zero expectations to win any of them when he took over. Especially if they drop out of the top 4.
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I can’t trust anyone that cites the TMO as a good way of implementing video refereeing, there are just as many awful, inconsistent decisions in rugby despite having the system in place for years and years. Clear and obvious is still far too subjective.
But he isnt just leaning. He's half a yard offside. Of all the decisions this season for this to spark some debate is just lol.
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We must be watching a different game but regardless we have simply replaced the weekly discussion of referee’s decisions with VAR. I’m not anti the technology just the rubbish implementation and the impact on the spectacle. For me the negatives out weigh the positives I always hoped for a system that would correct the howlers, the obvious mistakes but what we instead have is the game broken down into rolling backwards and forwards frames to decide if someone is a mm or two offside. For years fans have said the best referees are not talking points but VAR is every single week.
No we are watching the same game you just for some reason aren't seeing a player half a yard offside.
This. I was all for VAR.....but right now the implementation is awful. I would go back to pre-VAR in a heartbeat, it was a better sport to watch. You got the occasional mistake, but that's better than all this tedious line-drawing and the SAME arguments, but about VAR instead of a linesman making a dodgy call.
to me benefit should always be with the attacker, and like above "clear daylight" should be required for offside
At the moment its so marginal its like VAR is punishing the attacker for a defender having his weight on the wrong foot.
If the heal of the attacker is further away from goal than the heal of the last defender (ie a bit of overlap of the feet) then thats all that should matter imho - but even if they were more strict and it was the whole boot of the attacker behind the heal of the defender - it really shouldnt matter where the upper body (let alone the nose / finger / knee) are.
In a crowd of players you cant prove one way or another so it should again benefit the attacker ( no clear and obvious error after all)
Yesterday I just dont think Chelsea did enough in the final third to deserve it and whats more the Leicester goal is a worthy winner of a final - an own goal with a few very unlucky deflections to keep them in a final , just isnt enough.
Is the CL qualification back to only four entries no matter what the results in each final? If I recall correctly briefly years ago there was potential for 6 CL entries the next season, which has subsequently been ruled out - but I thought there was still potential for 5 places?
At the moment its so marginal its like VAR is punishing the attacker for a defender having his weight on the wrong foot.
If the heal of the attacker is further away from goal than the heal of the last defender (ie a bit of overlap of the feet) then thats all that should matter imho - but even if they were more strict and it was the whole boot of the attacker behind the heal of the defender - it really shouldnt matter where the upper body (let alone the nose / finger / knee) are.
In a crowd of players you cant prove one way or another so it should again benefit the attacker ( no clear and obvious error after all)
Yesterday I just dont think Chelsea did enough in the final third to deserve it and whats more the Leicester goal is a worthy winner of a final - an own goal with a few very unlucky deflections to keep them in a final , just isnt enough.
Is the CL qualification back to only four entries no matter what the results in each final? If I recall correctly briefly years ago there was potential for 6 CL entries the next season, which has subsequently been ruled out - but I thought there was still potential for 5 places?
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If Var wasn't there you would have had an offside goal that stood and potential for Chelsea to steal the cup win. I really do not understand your argument.
People forget games like Barcelona Chelsea 09 without VAR. I do not want that back at all.
An occasional mistake
is preferable to the current situation
tedious line-drawing and millimetre offsides *every* game
AND
an occasional mistake
I'm not saying the offside was incorrect yesterday. I am just incredibly tired of football matches hanging on some suit drawing lines on freeze-frames. It's killing the enjoyment of the game. I would rather the decision be made instantly by the linesman and not have to endure this faux 'drama' of players celebrating only to have goals written off.
Anyway, some people obviously really enjoy watching freeze frames so you guys enjoy it while it lasts, I'll look forward to having the focus being on the sport
Caporegime
An occasional mistake
is preferable to the current situation
tedious line-drawing and millimetre offsides *every* game
AND
an occasional mistake
I'm not saying the offside was incorrect yesterday. I am just incredibly tired of football matches hanging on some suit drawing lines on freeze-frames. It's killing the enjoyment of the game. I would rather the decision be made instantly by the linesman and not have to endure this faux 'drama' of players celebrating only to have goals written off.
Anyway, some people obviously really enjoy watching freeze frames so you guys enjoy it while it lasts, I'll look forward to having the focus being on the sport
This is what we have at the moment and needs to stay until a more automatic version is adopted. Going back to using solely a refs judgement is just not good enough anymore with everything that is at stake.
An occasional mistake
is preferable to the current situation
tedious line-drawing and millimetre offsides *every* game
AND
an occasional mistake
I'm not saying the offside was incorrect yesterday. I am just incredibly tired of football matches hanging on some suit drawing lines on freeze-frames. It's killing the enjoyment of the game. I would rather the decision be made instantly by the linesman and not have to endure this faux 'drama' of players celebrating only to have goals written off.
Anyway, some people obviously really enjoy watching freeze frames so you guys enjoy it while it lasts, I'll look forward to having the focus being on the sport
This isn't millimetres though is it. Have you actually seen the goal? He's well off.
Broken record mate. Try reading.
Can't have mere human beings getting in the way of the $$$ can we, that just wouldn't be football
I am and you're talking nonsense. Bringing up drawing lines etc when it wasn't even needed. Debating VARs usage after a clear offside was corrected is just daft.
No lines needed. No controversy. What's the issue?
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Of all the decisions this season, it wouldn’t even make the top 20 for the distance involved. There have been more than 5 when the lines overlap let alone inches between them. This was a time when on replay without lines the player looked offside.
I’m in favour of a change to offside being based off feet only, but the rules are the same as they have been all season. From what I saw this would have zero impact on the Chelsea goal being offside. I think this rule change would help give an advantage to an attacker who has started a run or caught a defender flat footed.
I’m in favour of a change to offside being based off feet only, but the rules are the same as they have been all season. From what I saw this would have zero impact on the Chelsea goal being offside. I think this rule change would help give an advantage to an attacker who has started a run or caught a defender flat footed.
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Do you enjoy watching players celebrate goals that then get disallowed?
I don't, it sucks all the joy out of the game. Either fix the system so the decision is within a few seconds, or get rid of it.
Literally what they're doing.
In the meantime, I'm happy to see correct offside decisions however marginal - at least the rule is applied fairly to all teams.