The engineering appreciation thread
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KaHn said:
there is a whole host of institutes that you can try to get chartered with, dependant on your field.
IIE (institute of incorperated engineers) etcetc.
ImechE (as stated above) is probably the most renowned. heavily mechanical based.
I am a piping designer. sometimes I am labeled a design engineer, sometimes a senior designer.
ultimately I dont have a degree. I do have nearly 9 years experience.
Not having a degree will hold me back. I will not hit engineer status in my field.
I can however bypass this and use my "on job" experience to attempt to apply for a masters, which I will do soon enough.
but what gets to me on this topic, is say a sanitary engineer, logistics engineer etcetc.
these roles do not require a technical degree to be fulfilled (all be it specialist fields)
so really specialist should be the term.
people know the difference though. petitioning it isnt really necessary
Gotta agree with the OP.
It isn't right for someone who's studied hard at uni for 3+ years for the right to be called an engineer, only for someone who's been on a X week course to be called something like a boiler engineer (again nothing against plumbers etc.)
It really does lack public awareness!
The problem could be that so many unskilled jobs are now have technician in the title that the skilled technicians are trying to differentiate themselves from them by changing their title to engineer.
It isn't right for someone who's studied hard at uni for 3+ years for the right to be called an engineer, only for someone who's been on a X week course to be called something like a boiler engineer (again nothing against plumbers etc.)
It really does lack public awareness!
The problem could be that so many unskilled jobs are now have technician in the title that the skilled technicians are trying to differentiate themselves from them by changing their title to engineer.
I just read the thread, was too long for me last night. And you're right, and I agree with the bloke. When you're that skilled and/or saught after for your technical skills, it must be annoying when people get the same title with lesser merits.DB_SamX said:
Its generally people who are brick layers to sound better than they are, like "brick erecting engineer" or a plumber to class him self as a pipe engineer etc.
It doesn't really bother me, when ever I tell people what i did at uni all i get is a
and "Do you want to work for Nasa"
KaHn
It doesn't really bother me, when ever I tell people what i did at uni all i get is a
and "Do you want to work for Nasa"KaHn
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I support this - you cannot use the term "Engineer" in the continent unless you're an engineer
I'm a Design Engineer by trade and this took four years of hard graft at Uni - 30 hour lectures, 30 hour assignments and 40 hours project work per week at least. It really bugs me when people hear that I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering and they think that all I can do is wire up a switch (no offense on Electricians BTW )
I work long hours designing, from scratch, monitors used in aviation and writing the low level embedded code which runs in these monitors and I'd like some recognition
I'm a Design Engineer by trade and this took four years of hard graft at Uni - 30 hour lectures, 30 hour assignments and 40 hours project work per week at least. It really bugs me when people hear that I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering and they think that all I can do is wire up a switch (no offense on Electricians BTW
)I work long hours designing, from scratch, monitors used in aviation and writing the low level embedded code which runs in these monitors and I'd like some recognition
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I quite like this. It turns out that engineers are even more skilled and talented than I first though. I assume also that you can do all the tasks that the non-engineers can do also? Like a plumber can mend a boiler etc, a real engineer would be able to do the same I presume?
Just to add a bit of humour, an Engineering Joke. Sums it up, really:
A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts: "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised my friend I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."
The man below says: "Yes. You are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42 degrees N. latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees W. longitude."
"You must be an engineer" says the balloonist.
"I am" replies the man. "How did you know."
"Well" says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost."
The man below says "You must be a manager."
"I am" replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
"Well", says the man, "you don't know where you are, or where you are going. You have made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in the exact same position you were in before we met, but now it is somehow my fault."
A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts: "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised my friend I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."
The man below says: "Yes. You are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42 degrees N. latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees W. longitude."
"You must be an engineer" says the balloonist.
"I am" replies the man. "How did you know."
"Well" says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost."
The man below says "You must be a manager."
"I am" replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
"Well", says the man, "you don't know where you are, or where you are going. You have made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in the exact same position you were in before we met, but now it is somehow my fault."
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Haha excellent.
Good thread. I work for a rather large engineering consultancy and a few weeks ago an email from one of the admin team went round explaining that the main printer had broken down and that an Engineer had been called out to fix it... ridiculous over used word.
My brother is an Automotice Engineer and when he started his uni course many people were seriously asking if he was learning how to change tyres and things to service cars.
Good thread. I work for a rather large engineering consultancy and a few weeks ago an email from one of the admin team went round explaining that the main printer had broken down and that an Engineer had been called out to fix it... ridiculous over used word.
My brother is an Automotice Engineer and when he started his uni course many people were seriously asking if he was learning how to change tyres and things to service cars.
Pretty much, if you can design something and have an intimate working knowledge of the system then you can fix it.naffa said:
It's pretty much what engineers do when they design something, if a part fails in testing they replace/redesign it.
Granted a plumber would probably be able to do it more quickly, solder joints would be neater etc. but that comes with skill and practice
that's the reason we have plumbers as they are damned good at what they do.
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Engineers are the ones that design schematics for heating systems, size radiators to ensure buildings are correctly heated whilst control budget costs, design the boilers striving for efficiency and reliability, understand the metallurgy involved with different materials and soldering.
Dont try to compare that to someone, who whilst skilled, performs pretty straight forward tasks after a short course gets some tools and follows procedures whilst charging high hourly rates to a private customer where heating/hot water is an essential requirement.
Engineering something doesnt have to mean hands on but it certainly helps. Plumbers are fine anyway, its the heating engineers that need to ammend job titles.
Dont try to compare that to someone, who whilst skilled, performs pretty straight forward tasks after a short course gets some tools and follows procedures whilst charging high hourly rates to a private customer where heating/hot water is an essential requirement.
Engineering something doesnt have to mean hands on but it certainly helps. Plumbers are fine anyway, its the heating engineers that need to ammend job titles.
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lol thats the point of the thread. he isnt a proper engineer. an engineer is the guy who designed the the dishwasher, prototyped it, chose the materials etc etc.naffa said:
the whole point of this thread is that an engineer is NOT a technician. you know that if we take out a bank loan we are considered low to medium skilled ?!?! engineers are one of the most improtant things that exhist. Bridges, sewers, railways, cars, water on tap, computers the list is endless. We just get no media coverage like docters and lawers get. The problem is 90% of people who call themselves engineers are technicians.
Put it in a form applying to OCUK. the guy who fixes the graphics card Is NOT an engineer, the guy who designs it, makes a prototype, tests it and all that is the engineer. without engineers OCUK would see no new computer components. ever! The guy who said it is a pathetic petition imo is a pure idiot
EDIT: oops jus have dude lol
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im part of imeche. no idea what it does but they made everyone on the course join up. Its deffo a Imeche accreditied courseKaHn said:
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Youll be a student affiliate, just helps raise the profile.
Once associate after joining with the relevant acredited course you can be taken a bit more seriously and get a nice mag
Main goal is to get Chartered for many, but I enjoy going to many lectures in the wide engineering industry. Recently I went to up an IMechE lecture at honda about F1 chassis's, free food there and a new CTR parked in the conference suite.
Once associate after joining with the relevant acredited course you can be taken a bit more seriously and get a nice mag
Main goal is to get Chartered for many, but I enjoy going to many lectures in the wide engineering industry. Recently I went to up an IMechE lecture at honda about F1 chassis's, free food there and a new CTR parked in the conference suite.
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In September i'm going to train to become a Mechanical Engineer! Can't wait!