The engineering appreciation thread

xsnv said:
Couldn't doctors argue a similar point with academics being called Dr's ?
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Medical Doctors do less study work that academic doctors anyway so they should argue that they are not classed as real doctors even tho they have studied for a longer period of time.

KaHn
 
A friend of mine works on the Diamond Lightsource project. He specs and places the magnets to ensure the beam is coherent.

He went to sort out a bank account for the house he was renting and the girl behind the counter would not accept he was a 'professional' ('that's doctors and stuff') or even an engineer ('magnets aren't like engines though, are they?') in the end he plumped for scientist as his job description and left in a right huff.
 
xsnv said:
Couldn't doctors argue a similar point with academics being called Dr's ?
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No, because a GP is a Doctor of Medicine whilst an academic is a Doctor of Philosophy. The term 'doctor' signifies expertise in some field, not necessarily medical expertise.
 
The whole dumbing down of society concerns me more than anything , its not just in engineering that you see it, in all walks of life it seems to be the shallow preserve of the image that is seen as the important aspect, and not the science ...not the engineering not the real invention , just the marketing aspect the loud voice the firm hand shake and the bling.
engineers are criticised for being dull and characterless, but this is an opinion ..the one thing you are taught at university is to distinguish opinion from fact ... if anyone uses this slant/device they are merely poorly educated and it shows..theres little that anyone can do ..never argue with an idiot ..etc etc

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I fully endorse this petition. I am not an engineer and never will be, so there is no bias in my opinion.

Engineers design things. Brunel was an engineer. The guy who designed your washing machine was an engineer.

The 'Service Engineer' who comes to your house to fix the washing machine is simply a trained monkey. He is not an engineer and it's an insult to the profession of engineering to think anything else.

Same deal with consultants these days as well. Seems everyone is a consultant, from the guy who flogs mobile phones at the weekend to the true consultants..
 
MNuTz said:
Am i the only one that doesnt care? That things this really isnt a big deal?

Surely you should take pride in your work and that should be enough. Why do you need people to think of you as equal to doctors and lawyers?
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Because the profession needs more recognition rather than diluted with tech jobs. This in turn dilutes the industry with larger numbers and percieved as lower skilled. This effects my salary. Therefore it has a huge effect on my lifestyle.
 
xsnv said:
Couldn't doctors argue a similar point with academics being called Dr's ?
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The otherway round in reality, you will find a lot of senior consultants calling them Mr XXX rather than Dr on the basis they do not have a PhD.
 
xsnv said:
Couldn't doctors argue a similar point with academics being called Dr's ?
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no because those people are doctors, if you do a phd you become a doctor of that field.

a doctor as in surgeon is something totally different.
 
I am going out for a pub crawl soon to celebrate the end of my civil engineering with architecture course. It is themed. As obviously being dressed as engineers in normal shirts, trousers and tie etc would be sad, we are instead going in hard hats and hi-vis jackets. The shame - this is going to project the wrong image. I might boycott the dressing up...

/edit - could pass as site contracted engineers I suppose.
 
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DB_SamX said:
I am going out for a pub crawl soon to celebrate the end of my civil engineering with architecture course. It is themed. As obviously being dressed as engineers in normal shirts, trousers and tie etc would be sad, we are instead going in hard hats and hi-vis jackets. The shame - this is going to project the wrong image. I might boycott the dressing up...
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Dress up like Isambard Kingdom Brunel, top hat and all.
 
DB_SamX said:
/edit - could pass as site contracted engineers I suppose.
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Ah but then you'd have to be charging four times your usual hourly rate :)

Mech. Engineering here too....
 
DB_SamX said:
I am going out for a pub crawl soon to celebrate the end of my civil engineering with architecture course. It is themed. As obviously being dressed as engineers in normal shirts, trousers and tie etc would be sad, we are instead going in hard hats and hi-vis jackets. The shame - this is going to project the wrong image. I might boycott the dressing up...

/edit - could pass as site contracted engineers I suppose.
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Where are you going? :p
 
Ah, ours ended at Kinki because we were done on the Friday :p

We went the other way, all went home, then worked back up :p
 
My dad is an electrical Engineer, I hear it from him quite a lot about how they are under appreciated.

I can agree with what he says. however only being an IT support TECHNICIAN I don't really care. :P


But yeah good idea.
 
As an engineer and am part qualified (half way through) to become a chartered engineer, I dont agree with his definition of being called an engineer only when you have achieved chartered status.

I think there should be a minimum standard of education that is accredited like the IET guidelines say and that should be enough.

Having a title of chartered engineer of which you have to pay for to retain the title is just BS which was why I decided to give up on it.
 
fornowagain said:
I think its about responsibility and respect. Everything I design and build, I am legally responsible for and in most cases has the potential to kill someone (or lots) if I get it wrong. Intense study for years, then graft to gain accreditation as a mark of professionalism. Deserves the same level as respect as any lawyer. Personally I don't see it's any different than the respect earned by a Master crasftmen of day gone by. The fact is if someone wants to put the same letters after their name as an CEng Engineer it will take at least 8 years of hard work, maybe more.

Of all the technical people I've worked with over the years. The man I respect the most was a Master Toolmaker. I'd say it must have taken ar least 20 years or experience to gain his abilities. Didn't stop people treating him like dirt. Its a lost cause, this type of skill is no longer valued.
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Thats fine, and if you came to me and said to me that you are a ****** engineer and designed and made ******* i would be more impressed by what you did instead of your job title.

Anyone with a brain knows the difference between a structural engineer and a builder, a mechanical engineer and a mechanic. Does anyone here honestly think that this petition will make any difference out there to those people that dont know the difference already?

Jonnycoupe said:
Because the profession needs more recognition rather than diluted with tech jobs. This in turn dilutes the industry with larger numbers and percieved as lower skilled. This effects my salary. Therefore it has a huge effect on my lifestyle.
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They may be lower beings (which is the impression some of you give in this thread), and there be thousands of them based around your job field, but if they dont have the experience and qualifications to back up their "job title" it will not effect you.
 
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