Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[helpimcrap]

Last week Switzerland withdrew its application to join the EU

Do you have a link?

That says a BIG view on the future of the EU in my eyes.... If we don't get out now we'll sink with it....

 

[[TW]Fox]

Well I can't help thinking that the Euro emissions standards conveniently helped German car-makers who had invested big in diesel, which is a filthy fuel and has led to poor air quality across European cities. With regards to water standards - congrats on finally making a legitimate point in defence of the EU though

German manufacturers invested big in diesel BECAUSE of EU emissions standards (And the high cost of fuel in EU member states). This is why there is a link between emissions standards and prevalence of diesel. An agenda of low CO2 and high fuel tax was pursued which favoured engines which consume less fuel.

Not that the UK is any stranger to punitive fuel duty which pushes people into diesel cars...

This is almost entirely irrelevant anyway as even if we were not in the EU we'd be sold cars which conform to EU emissions standards and were developed in response to these standards - it's not as if you can buy cars which don't meet these standards in Switzerland, is it?

 

[kitfit1]

If the UK leaves EU who will be following. Please list and why.

The above quote is your original question

Oh, and remember the French don't like paying in more than they get out! Then of course the finacial wobblies Portugal Spain Italy and the basket case Greece. Last week Switzerland withdrew its application to join the EU - not much mention of that in the press now was there!!!

Don't forget the EU budget will balloon - catering for all of Mad Merkels guests them as what she wants to palm off to other members. Now the Slovak Republic, Hungry Bulgaria and Poland aint for takin any (Industrial metal fencing manufacturers are doing well in the Balkans) - Finland is getting restive. Austria is getting restrictive and the writing is on the political wall. Where is the UK's bung being made up from? How long will it be before there is a backlash in Germany. In Germany its all talk of integration but with what jobs 90% odd have no skills. They must have necessity stay in cramped hostel style accommodation. Places with lots of work Hamburg have a need for affordable accommodation for its own people- postmen industrial workers et al.
If only it had been known that Mad Merkel had surplus 10's of billions our pot holes could have been filled by the local dentists - with gold fillings
Just read: SCHOOLS and canteens in Germany have BANNED pork from their menus Well can't see that going down in my state or many other states- but bring it on Mad Merkel

So why did you wait over an hour before editing and adding all that dross ? maybe you were waiting to see what some answers would be ?

 

[Tefal]

Did you not read the links? shakes head......

Calling someone a apologist is not an attack it's a fact.
"noun: apologist; plural noun: apologists
a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial"

Waiting for your come back Gilly.

So you too are an apologist. You reguarly defend and put forward arguments for controversial subjects

 

[[TW]Fox]

As for diesel helping German car makers I'm not really sure how you figure that. BMW, for example, lagged a long way behind on diesels and VW is apparently so bad at making them that it cheated on the tests.

BMW lagged a long way behind on diesel? BMW almost single handedly pioneered the concept of high performance diesel passenger cars!

VW are not 'bad' at making diesel engines, they were attempting to produce them without the need for expensive and complex urea injection systems which other manufacturers had resorted to in order to pass the USA Federal emissions standards which are much more stringent than the EU ones and focus on NOX rather than CO2.

Which is all very well and good but dont forget that in the USA the focus is far less in fuel efficiency as fuel prices are a fraction of the price they are here.

 

[Amp34]

Do you have a link?

That says a BIG view on the future of the EU in my eyes.... If we don't get out now we'll sink with it....

Here: http://www.thelocal.ch/20160302/switzerland-national-council-eu-application

As the debate over Brexit takes up much headline-space, Switzerland is often hailed as an example of a country doing just fine without the EU, so it may come as a surprise that the nation filed a membership application to join to the union.

The Swiss National Council, the lower house of the Federal Assembly, approved a motion submitted by Lukas Reimann from the Swiss People's Party (SVP) to withdraw the application. 126 of the 200 deputies voted in favour on Tuesday.

The motion, titled "EU membership - achieving clarity" will now be reviewed by the Senate, which has previously rejected similar motions.

In his statement, Reimann said that in negotiations Switzerland was treated as a country which wanted to join the EU, and said that it was "high time" to withdraw the application due to the upcoming talks on how to implement immigration curbs, 20 Minuten reported. These talks have been put on hold until after Britain's EU referendum has been held.

However, foreign minister Didier Burkhalter pointed out that the application has already been void since 1992. He labelled the motion "unnecessary", saying that Switzerland is not on the EU's list of official candidates and is considered by the Union to be an "independent, sovereign nation".

I was looking into it after reading the illegible OP. Highlighted the important bit. Not quite how it may have been portrayed in the OP.

As to who will leave, you could argue agree with would have been better off by now if it had left, but they have been doing everything to stay in so I doubt they would leave now.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

I personally don't believe we'll ever "leave" per-say. I think an agreement will be reached to have the UK as part of the EEA.

 

[GFX-Kid]

I do think leaving the EU in the medium to long term could potentially be better for us, but can we trust the politicians to make the deals that are ultimately best for the country to get us there?

Tell me this, has being in EU got anything to do with the lack of houses being built currently, or the ability take action to control the house prices spiralling out of control? Please correct me if I am wrong. To my knowledge that is a local issue to us that could be addressed by our politicians, whether it is the current conservative government or the labour government before it who have led us to where we are now.

If therefore they cannot satisfactorily manage such a important issue, how can they be trusted to negotiate the deals we need with other countries that will be better for us than what we have now? Look at what our prime minister wanted to deliver and what deal he ended up with. Not the level negotiating that fills me with confidence if we are to go it alone.

Hence why reluctantly I am siding with the vote to remain, as I do not think our politicians can be trusted to make the best decisions for us.

 

[bayo000]

They will all have a big party after the crybaby left and live happily ever after.

Or most likely UK will join EEA and have no more say in any laws/ decisions making but will still have to implement them and they will all laugh.

 

[cosmogenesis]

The EU has done good things on trade and as a trading block with the rest of the world to which we might find it harder to get anything substantial agreed as a nation of 65 million. The European Court of Human Rights has allowed people defeated here to get it overturned by them legitimately of course. Climate emissions targets are best set EU wide I would suggest as well.

It has its upside I am sure.

 

[bitslice]

Why are you [Deuse] throwing the word apologist around like that?
Behave please. If you post stats and are asked to provide source then do so. Don't just attack the person that asks you.

Ahem, just pointing this out:

In other words, he repeating a bunch of lies put about by racists.

I didn't actually state what I was talking about yet Jack still jumps in with the same personally abusive pejorative language used by all the Left to cynically censor discussion.

I imagine you'll be horrified at seeing such personal abuse for the very first time on this forum, and won't hesitate to rebuke all such posters in future.

 

[eatcustard]

I do think leaving the EU in the medium to long term could potentially be better for us, but can we trust the politicians to make the deals that are ultimately best for the country to get us there?

Tell me this, has being in EU got anything to do with the lack of houses being built currently, or the ability take action to control the house prices spiralling out of control? Please correct me if I am wrong. To my knowledge that is a local issue to us that could be addressed by our politicians, whether it is the current conservative government or the labour government before it who have led us to where we are now.

If therefore they cannot satisfactorily manage such a important issue, how can they be trusted to negotiate the deals we need with other countries that will be better for us than what we have now? Look at what our prime minister wanted to deliver and what deal he ended up with. Not the level negotiating that fills me with confidence if we are to go it alone.

Hence why reluctantly I am siding with the vote to remain, as I do not think our politicians can be trusted to make the best decisions for us.

On the house front

We need more houses because 100000s of immigrants (from EU) want to live here, so prices/rent go up due to demand.

When we vote out, Cameron will probably step down and a Euroscpitic will run the show (Boris?)

The EU costs us way to much for nothing in return.

But the best thing is we can cause the Frogs and Fritz no end of problems (they need our money) and that is worth quitting the EU,

 

[jimjamuk]

I do think leaving the EU in the medium to long term could potentially be better for us, but can we trust the politicians to make the deals that are ultimately best for the country to get us there?

Tell me this, has being in EU got anything to do with the lack of houses being built currently, or the ability take action to control the house prices spiralling out of control? Please correct me if I am wrong. To my knowledge that is a local issue to us that could be addressed by our politicians, whether it is the current conservative government or the labour government before it who have led us to where we are now.

If therefore they cannot satisfactorily manage such a important issue, how can they be trusted to negotiate the deals we need with other countries that will be better for us than what we have now? Look at what our prime minister wanted to deliver and what deal he ended up with. Not the level negotiating that fills me with confidence if we are to go it alone.

Hence why reluctantly I am siding with the vote to remain, as I do not think our politicians can be trusted to make the best decisions for us.

So we should allow EU ministers make those choices for us? You know the ones we didnt elect and cant unelect if they start making daft decisions?

 

[eatcustard]

The EU has done good things on trade and as a trading block with the rest of the world to which we might find it harder to get anything substantial agreed as a nation of 65 million. The European Court of Human Rights has allowed people defeated here to get it overturned by them legitimately of course. Climate emissions targets are best set EU wide I would suggest as well.

It has its upside I am sure.

British products are wanted world wide, we will have no problems agreeing a deal with anyone.

China, all our commonwealth friends, Uganda, USA and Greenland to name a few

 

[stopper]

Lets just get one thing straight first.
Our government WILL NOT let us leave the EU.

/thread

 

[kindai]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65...s-Britain-hours-EU-out-vote-referendum-Brexit

How lovely of the French.

Threats like this is more likely to get the out vote to happen!

 

[Gilly]

Ahem, just pointing this out:


I didn't actually state what I was talking about yet Jack still jumps in with the same personally abusive pejorative language used by all the Left to cynically censor discussion.

I imagine you'll be horrified at seeing such personal abuse for the very first time on this forum, and won't hesitate to rebuke all such posters in future.

Thanks for pointing out someone respondin to someone else's inference on what was meant.

Not sure what you want me to do, but as you are aware this isn't the place for that.

 

[Burnsy2023]

They will all have a big party after the crybaby left and live happily ever after.

Or most likely UK will join EEA and have no more say in any laws/ decisions making but will still have to implement them and they will all laugh.

And still have the requirement of freedom of movement.

 

[Malevolence]

I would hazard a guess at Greece, Portugal and then Spain. Greece because they are in an even bigger crisis now than they were before the last bailout. Portugal and Spain because they are following the same route as Greece and will end up at the same destination.

I'd also throw Italy into that mix too.

 

[Skunkworks]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65...s-Britain-hours-EU-out-vote-referendum-Brexit

How lovely of the French.

Threats like this is more likely to get the out vote to happen!

I'm pretty sure there's no legal way that can happen.