Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote?

[platypus]

The EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. In 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion

Some big numbers to throw around without providing any source.

Nah but a lot of **** has happened recently which will have a lot of people saying to leave now, who were most likely on the fence previously and would have said remain just to be safe

By a lot of **** you mean mostly the immigration crisis, why not say exactly how you feel instead of trying to sugar coat it?

 

[robfosters]

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[Mr Jack]

We don't get any benefits as you say. Where do you get your info?

Of course we get benefits. The biggest, of course, is that we enjoy freedom to work and access to the common market.

The EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. In 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion

The EU is a lot bigger than us. Our market represents a smaller share of EU total markets than they represent of our total markets. This means that they will be in hurry to make a deal with the UK while we will be in a great hurry to make a deal with them.

 

[robgmun]

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[robgmun]

Of course we get benefits. The biggest, of course, is that we enjoy freedom to work and access to the common market.

Me and my employer sees diddly squat from this benefit, they are more UK/US centric

 

[scorza]

Of course we get benefits. The biggest, of course, is that we enjoy freedom to work and access to the common market.

Except most of the British workforce don't work in the EU and there is no common market for services, which accounts for the bulk of the UK economy.

The EU is a lot bigger than us. Our market represents a smaller share of EU total markets than they represent of our total markets. This means that they will be in hurry to make a deal with the UK while we will be in a great hurry to make a deal with them.

The UK economy is 20% the size of the total EU economy (without the UK). Stop trying to downplay our significance and the strength of our hand in any negotiation, it won't wash.

 

[StriderX]

I think the irony is that the UK will be somewhat a tad left of center compared to the EU by the end of the decade tbh.

 

[platypus]

Lets face it, the four freedoms set up in the Treaty of Rome were goods, services, capital and people. And no one has an issue with the first three, it's simply a case that a lot of people don't like immigrants.

 

[platypus]

The UK economy is 20% the size of the total EU economy (without the UK). Stop trying to downplay our significance and the strength of our hand in any negotiation, it won't wash.

Not quite, it's a 6th of the size of the EU economy by 2015 CEBR figure; but to suggest its weak in comparison to the EU is obviously wrong. His comment that Our market represents a smaller share of EU total markets than they represent of our total markets is still true though.

 

[Tosno]

Unlikely there will be a new poll anytime soon, as it would give momentum for leaving to the fence sitters seeing the tide change.

 

[Mr Jack]

Except most of the British workforce don't work in the EU and there is no common market for services, which accounts for the bulk of the UK economy.

Millions of Brits benefit from working abroad over their lifetime.

The UK economy is 20% the size of the total EU economy (without the UK). Stop trying to downplay our significance and the strength of our hand in any negotiation, it won't wash.

Yes, and that makes us bigger than the EU how? The UK needs the EU a lot more than the EU needs the UK. This problem will be especially acute at the time of the negotiations.

 

[scorza]

Millions of Brits benefit from working abroad over their lifetime.

... and they will continue to do so post-Brexit.

Yes, and that makes us bigger than the EU how? The UK needs the EU a lot more than the EU needs the UK. This problem will be especially acute at the time of the negotiations.

The way you said the EU economy was a lot bigger than ours (your emphasis) was a deliberate attempt to diminish the significance of the UK.

 

[deuse]

Of course we get benefits. The biggest, of course, is that we enjoy freedom to work and access to the common market.

We've always had access to Europe, even before the EU. So your point is moot.

The EU is a lot bigger than us. Our market represents a smaller share of EU total markets than they represent of our total markets. This means that they will be in hurry to make a deal with the UK while we will be in a great hurry to make a deal with them.

You did understand what I posted?

The EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. In 2014 there was a trade deficit of over £50bn, with a current account deficit of nearly £100 billion

 

[Mr Jack]

We've always had access to Europe, even before the EU. So your point is moot.

Not on the terms we access them now. Nor, if we wish to gain access on our current in the future is it likely we'll be able to do so without agreeing to terms including freedom-to-work.

You did understand what I posted?

Of course I did. You do understand that what is going to matter is share, right? The UK's exports to the EU make up a much larger share of the UK economy that the EU exports to the UK make up of the EU economy. It is that which will matter not the balance between the two.

 

[RDM]

It is that which will matter not the balance between the two.

Surely it is both that matter?

 

[deuse]

Not on the terms we access them now. Nor, if we wish to gain access on our current in the future is it likely we'll be able to do so without agreeing to terms including freedom-to-work.

The only difference between the old visa system and now is that we knew who's coming in to the UK and vice versa.

In other words we kept the **** out and kept our own **** in. Worked a treat.

 

[robgmun]

But apparently we'd still have to agree to free movement in a Brexit situation, should we want to keep our trade agreements with the EU.

If we have a Brexit we'll should be holding all the cards, if they want our exports then they'll have to play ball. If i was the government i would be striking trade deals with China, Brazil and the US along with under the table deals with individual EU countries to ensure we have our trade.

They can screw free movement

Anyway, we still have to show our passport when i come back into the UK, so what if we have to do the same on the way out? Seriously whats the big fat deal?

 

[eatcustard]

Voting to say in is treason

 

[RJC]

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