The execution of Gary Glitter
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Quite easy for me to get riled up over atrocities and wish death on the perpetrators, but once I calm myself and think about it a little bit it's just not right.
Of course if I had a daughter who was raped and murdered or something I might feel quite differently.
Of course if I had a daughter who was raped and murdered or something I might feel quite differently.
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dolph: when i've ironed out my constitution, i'll let ya know
until then....they can stay in prison.
dolph: when i've ironed out my constitution, i'll let ya know
until then....they can stay in prison.
Sometimes I feel I want the death penalty back, others I don't, but what I know for certain is; I would like, proper sentances for crimes not slaps of the wrist, and a revamp of the cake walk that is holiday camp... I mean prison, really... pool tables, tv's in cells, games consoles, is that for real?
Would it not make sense giving the inmates who could be up for the death penalty the option every 5 years.
Either live your life out in prison or get the chop... Thats fair to be honest. Or maybe a option at parole, if you fail at parole then you have the option for the death sentence...
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Either live your life out in prison or get the chop... Thats fair to be honest. Or maybe a option at parole, if you fail at parole then you have the option for the death sentence...
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But how many people these days get 30 years and never get let out?
If you get life now it means 10-20 or if your a good boy even less.
just not so. even if it was it's not an argument for death penalty, it's simply an argument for review of law. papers only report stuff people may find shocking. Not every sentence.
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Interesting how you know the future of all those sentenced to indeterminate sentences since 2005...
Prison isn't a holiday camp, if you believe that I suggest you stop reading whatever has been giving you that impression.
However, yes there are in-cell televisions in most prisons - but this is for reasons of control more than anything else. One thousand prisoners quietly watching Corrie are a hell of a lot easier to control than ones with only books for company (especially as the vast majority cannot read!).
If the prison service was properly financed and resourced then perhaps we could remove the in-cell tv's and go back to shared accomodation tv's. But that is not going to happen any time soon with our bankrupt economy.
You said if you get life now, you don't get life, you get an indeterminate sentence with a minimum sentence based on guidelines, since the criminal justice act 2003 came into effect from April 2005.
As none of these have reached the 10-20 year (or less for good behaviour) mark you stated since the introduction of the new rules, you're simply speculating (or more colloquially, making it up) that someone sentenced now would be out quickly, especially as a 'life sentence' doesn't actually exist any more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_(England_and_Wales)
Prove me wrong then.
With good GOV links the same you ask for
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/2368427.double_life_sentence_for_baby_killer/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_7710000/newsid_7713900/7713985.stm
Just do a google search plenty getting life sentences with a decent MINIMUM sentence.
Some more on sentencing
http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/adviceandsupport/prison_life/lifesentencedprisoners/
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"Joshua Cook, 18, was sentenced at Leeds Crown Court for the murder and sexual assault He will serve a minimum of 18 years"
Thats not life is it. Life is YOU WILL NEVER SEE OUTSIDE AGAIN
"Pearce, 30, was told he must serve at least 15 years for his cousin's murder." Thats not life.
"The Parole Board has the power to direct the release of life sentence prisoners but release can only take place once the minimum period of imprisonment has been served"
Not one life sentence there. Life should MEAN life the same as the US not Life but if your a good boy we will let you go and kill again.
And I don't see why the tax payer should pay for thses people to have 3 meals a day\Tv\Xbox and having fun
and a life with free money and a place to live when they get out.
I watched the Channel 4 show last night, and I think I went into it, thinking it would be quite entertaining to see this fictional Gary Glitter executed. However, as the story went on, and it came to the crux of the realisation that he was about to be hanged, I actually felt quite sorry for his character. I think it makes you think what it would be like to actually be in his shoes, knowing somebody was about to end your life and there is nothing you can do about it.
I think as far as reality goes, the crimes he has comitted, while sick and twisted certainly aren't worthy of being put to death. Certainly if anyone is worthy of death, the only crimes I think that are worthy of such a fate would be someone who is a pre-meditated serial killer.
It also made me think a bit about Sadam.
He was a horrible man, but his country chose to execute him.
Thinking about it now, I think it would have been much more prominent and fitting to watch him rotting away in an Iraqi jail for the rest of his life, I certainly would have enjoyed seeing that more.
I think as far as reality goes, the crimes he has comitted, while sick and twisted certainly aren't worthy of being put to death. Certainly if anyone is worthy of death, the only crimes I think that are worthy of such a fate would be someone who is a pre-meditated serial killer.
It also made me think a bit about Sadam.
He was a horrible man, but his country chose to execute him.
Thinking about it now, I think it would have been much more prominent and fitting to watch him rotting away in an Iraqi jail for the rest of his life, I certainly would have enjoyed seeing that more.
It is life within the meaning of the term in Law, although these days it is more of a press error, seeing as the term doesn't actually exist any more. Life sentence in UK law has never meant 'will definitely be in prison until you die' anyway. He's actually been given an indeterminate sentence with a minimum tariff of 18 years.
See above and learn terminology.
You really need to learn to check your facts, Life in the US is not necessarily life without parole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_(United_States)
Only approximately 20% of lifers in the US have no chance of parole.
Because it is cheaper than not providing these things (much as it is cheaper to give people the hope of release for good behaviour than giving them no hope at all) due to the creation of compromise and the resultant behaviour improvements....
Prison is also not supposed to be just a place of punishment, but a place where we try and fix people so that they can live within society again in the future.
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Contradictory arguments here. On the one hand, we hear prison is worse than the rope. But if that is the case, surely it is even more against criminals human rights to incarcerate them for 30 years. Even if the idea is you can release people when you find a miscarriage of justice, whereas you can't bring them back to life, you still can't give them back 30 years so same argument really.
Most people have some sort of moral code. Those that haven't do not operate in the same way as decent folk and will only desist from making the lives of others a misery if they are clear something very nasty is going to happen to them. This may be the death penalty or it may not. If you genuinely think heaven awaits, then the rope is not going to stop you blowing your rucksack up on a bus, but then what will? If your idea of fun is nicking cars and torching them to show off to your mates, then six months in solitary confinement with only three meals, water to drink and flushable toilet to keep you company - and no one to show off to - would be more of a deterrent than a badge of honour ASBO device on your ankle. Horses for courses.
FInally, I don't buy any of this 'I needed the money for drugs' nonsense. Smack-head burglars are clued enough to pick on the frail and vulnerable; they dopn't go robbing from the big boys who they know would put them six foot under.
Most people have some sort of moral code. Those that haven't do not operate in the same way as decent folk and will only desist from making the lives of others a misery if they are clear something very nasty is going to happen to them. This may be the death penalty or it may not. If you genuinely think heaven awaits, then the rope is not going to stop you blowing your rucksack up on a bus, but then what will? If your idea of fun is nicking cars and torching them to show off to your mates, then six months in solitary confinement with only three meals, water to drink and flushable toilet to keep you company - and no one to show off to - would be more of a deterrent than a badge of honour ASBO device on your ankle. Horses for courses.
FInally, I don't buy any of this 'I needed the money for drugs' nonsense. Smack-head burglars are clued enough to pick on the frail and vulnerable; they dopn't go robbing from the big boys who they know would put them six foot under.
thats what is wrong about prison imo though. well in the cases of the worse crimes
i dont think murderers and serial rapists deserve a chance to be 'fixed' and im not to sure the general public do either
it hardly deters people from committing crime when they know that the worst that can happen is that they will be looked after and given another chance.