But it would never fly in most European countries now especially with way things are
And yeah I also don't think the Olympics should have happened but hey ho
The F1 2014 season
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But it would never fly in most European countries now especially with way things are
And yeah I also don't think the Olympics should have happened but hey ho
That would explain the sharp decline in the number of European races then
Absolutely.
It shouldn't be that tracks have to net loose money with the amount of money that changes hands in f1 but it is
Drivers paying for seats all the way up to the 4th ranked team, tracks buying their way into f1,it is loosing what is left of the sport factor in it. Such is life
My interest is waning and not because of Vettel winning
Absolutely.
It shouldn't be that tracks have to net loose money with the amount of money that changes hands in f1 but it isUntil governments and\or private entities stop paying the asking price, it looks set to continue.
As I mentioned a few times in this section, I don't understand why F1 teams have **** all sponsorship on some of their cars. Especially with the high viewing figures touted by FOM.
This is the sponsorship on a (mostly) back of the grid Indycar team:
That's McAfee, Bing (Microsoft), Virgin and TrueCar (a car dealership trading system). Except for the Virgin logo, they are all prominent.
This is Marussia's sponsorship:
QNET, and that's about it. There are more instances of "Marussia" logos than QNET.
Then it's up to Marussia to ask for a sensible sum. I don't think the Dragon Indycar team is getting $50 million from those sponsors, but it is appropriate to run the car and pay a driver.
At some point John Booth has to acknowledge that running an F1 team £57 million in the red each year is not sustainable.
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Couldn't agree more.
I think this is the first season in maybe the last 10-12 seasons that ive not been bothered about missing a race, and in some instances ive almost avoided some of them.
But I cant quite put my finger on it, its not because of redbull/vettel dominance because I loved every second of the Ferrari/Schumacher dominant era.
Its not because of lack of overtaking, because in all fairness theres plenty.
Its not because of the lack of racecraft etc, because there are some very talented drivers out there.
Im thinking its a massive combination of many many small niggling things that are really grinding on me.
Im interested to see whats going to happen with the cars next season, but in all honesty I don't really care who drives where or what, and at the end of the day and its only my opinion....pretty much any qualified f1 driver could jump in vettels car and be ultra competitive, I don't see redbull building a donkey anytime soon.
I've always wondered this. If sponsorship costs so much to the point that they won't buy it, surely it makes sense to bring the cost down to a point where it has some value? Surely some money is better than none at all?
This is why f1 is slowly dying there is no worth in f1 other than for advertisment.
Its not relevent to other industries these days, road cars arent using any off it.
Aerospace has overtaken in aerodynamics etc.
This is where forumla E could see much better industry tie in, but that has a budget limit anyway.
Thats the problem. Costs in F1 are far higher than other series, therefore teams need to ask for far more from sponsors, meaning they get a far smaller response.
I imagine that the sum of money McAfee pay to Dragon would be enough for a small logo on a wing end plate in F1.
Well the FIA tried. Blame the teams.
Standard engine and gearbox, would be much much cheaper. Teams said no.
Customer chassis, making things much cheaper. Teams said no.
I4 1.6 turbo engines, just like the majority of mass car makers use. Makes F1 relevant to the real world. Teams said no.
Larger wheels that are real world relevant. Teams said no.
Less aero, more mechanical grip. Teams said no.
Budget caps. Teams said no.
F1 suffering is its own making. And before anyone says that the FIA should just mandate the rules and the teams should suck it up, the last time they tried that half the grid were lined up to leave the sport.
'F1' isn't real world relevant because 'F1' doesn't want to be.
Its such a shame. The marketing possibilities to car makers of 4 cylinder 1.6 turbo engines in F1 practically writes itself. But instead, I genuinely cannot think of a single road car that uses a 1.6 V6 turbo. Its a completely irrelevant engine format to everyone involved.
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Most teams said yes to 1.4 wasnt it ferrari and one other vetoed it.
There needs to be a shft to getting rid of aero and getting back devlopment of engines.
Still think they should build into the rules allowence for electric, hydrogen etc.
and de restrict kers, then every 2 years or so, lower fuel limit by 5%.
Eventually f1 will need to go all electric, both political and to maintain the fastest technologiclay advanced cars. But before then it needs a gradual shift ofpver several decades.
F1 needs to regain the test bed of technology it once had.
Lack of testing doesnt help this.
There needs to be a shft to getting rid of aero and getting back devlopment of engines.
Still think they should build into the rules allowence for electric, hydrogen etc.
and de restrict kers, then every 2 years or so, lower fuel limit by 5%.
Eventually f1 will need to go all electric, both political and to maintain the fastest technologiclay advanced cars. But before then it needs a gradual shift ofpver several decades.
F1 needs to regain the test bed of technology it once had.
Lack of testing doesnt help this.
Ferrari and Mercedes were the main teams to stop the I4 idea. Whereas on the other side you had Renault/Nissan, Ford, VAG, Honda, Toyota, Peugeot, basically every mass car maker on the planet expressing an interest.
They did try and shift the aero. The 2014 aero rules are a shadow of the original proposal in terms of aero restriction.
The rules do allow for elextric? But again, that was toned down. The original proposed rules had pitlanes electric only, at 100kph. That was binned.
ERS is very much derestricted. If you look into the details (theres a very nice picture in the regs that I posted somewhere on here a little while back) the only bit that is restricted is the amount of energy that can be put through the drive shaft of the engine, as a means to control engine power output. Everything else is open. And thats great, as it opens up the development of how to harvest energy and how to use it in other areas. Energy to and from the turbo, for example, is completely unrestricted.
Fuel limits are being limited, and will be limited more as time progresses. But haven't I also heard you complain that F1 next year will be about saving tyres AND fuel?
And F1 will not go all electric, as the world wont go all electric. But thats a different conversation for a different thread.
They did try and shift the aero. The 2014 aero rules are a shadow of the original proposal in terms of aero restriction.
The rules do allow for elextric? But again, that was toned down. The original proposed rules had pitlanes electric only, at 100kph. That was binned.
ERS is very much derestricted. If you look into the details (theres a very nice picture in the regs that I posted somewhere on here a little while back) the only bit that is restricted is the amount of energy that can be put through the drive shaft of the engine, as a means to control engine power output. Everything else is open. And thats great, as it opens up the development of how to harvest energy and how to use it in other areas. Energy to and from the turbo, for example, is completely unrestricted.
Fuel limits are being limited, and will be limited more as time progresses. But haven't I also heard you complain that F1 next year will be about saving tyres AND fuel?
And F1 will not go all electric, as the world wont go all electric. But thats a different conversation for a different thread.
Yes, but 5 million is better than no income, given Marussia's huge operating losses. Their pay drivers won't cover the budget by themselves.
But if you were 'Indy500 Inc.' would you pay £5m for a postage stamp logo on an F1 car? Or £5m for an entire car plastered in your company logo in IndyCar?
The value for money in F1 is very low, made even worse if your logo is on a car that's never on TV at the back of the field.
The value for money in F1 is very low, made even worse if your logo is on a car that's never on TV at the back of the field.
Its not derestricted its something like 400mj a lap. Which is 10times what it was.
But it should be open open and when i mean allow electric, i mean allow teams not to run an engine. Of course that wouldn't happen for years, but it would allow development.
At sometime electric will obliterate petrol. And it could happen by 2020 when the protoyoe batteries should be out of the lab and into manufactures.
But it should be open open and when i mean allow electric, i mean allow teams not to run an engine. Of course that wouldn't happen for years, but it would allow development.
At sometime electric will obliterate petrol. And it could happen by 2020 when the protoyoe batteries should be out of the lab and into manufactures.
Only the MGUK is restricted. Everything else is open.
See my post about it here:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25097770&postcount=233
Just look at how many times 'Unlimited' is used on that diagram. The MGUK is limited to keep a lid on the power output of the engines. The technology itself is pretty open.
Interesting. Just watching Sky free-practise for Brazil, and Ant Davidson just said that 2014's engines will have the same power but with 5x the amount of torque.
They were discussing that this should expose the skill of some of the drivers.
They were discussing that this should expose the skill of some of the drivers.
One of the biggest differences in Indy and F1 is the cars itself.
The previous chassis lasts 1 season in F1
Indycar? 15 years! 1997-2011
F1 - constant development
Indycar - Almost zero development
F1 - 11 different chassis producers
Indycar - 1 - Dallara
It all adds up.
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.co...compete-in-formula-one-an-indycar-comparison/