The FA CUP Fourth Round ** Spoilers ** [26th - 28th January 2019]

[Ayahuasca]

Poch mistake was not signing any players at all, even worse now there sqaud is dropping like flies

Jenas was saying Poch doesn’t have any say in that but it doesn’t sit right with him if he walks away lol.

What club these days wins things without spending good money, it happens very rarely. Even Leicester spent a fair whack the season they did the unthinkable.

 

[BaZ87]

Poch mistake was not signing any players at all, even worse now there sqaud is dropping like flies

I hope you're joking Mark. You don't honestly believe that he willingly didn't sign anybody, do you?

 

[Mark1989]

I hope you're joking Mark. You don't honestly believe that he willingly didn't sign anybody, do you?

Yes and no, if he was told he couldn't sign anyone surely the club logically would have said sell to buy at the least. They have fringe players they could offload to try improve depth or quality.

They can't as a club sign no one at all and also say if you sell you can't buy, that would ruin all the progress poch has done.

As other clubs would progress much quicker, as no stadium cost to worry about like spurs now have

 

[omnomnom]

Poch has spent just short of 300 mil at Spurs including 31 mil on Sissoko, 20 mil on Jansen and a shed load Moura who doesn't look close to being a good player. That whilst inheriting a half decent team with Kane and Eriksen and continue to be his best players.

 

[Mark1989]

Poch has spent just short of 300 mil at Spurs including 31 mil on Sissoko, 20 mil on Jansen and a shed load Moura who doesn't look close to being a good player. That whilst inheriting a half decent team with Kane and Eriksen and continue to be his best players.

I didn't say he hasnt spent, I said he didn't spend summer just gone and he didn't.

That's what I think is the root cause of there wobble at the moment. His best players have played near on every game and now getting injured.

He can't rotate with quality, if he couldn't spend in summer due to new stadium why would he be able to this summer?

Especially with all the issues and adding costs there getting, which means he will have to sell and try improve if he isn't willing to do that then spurs will be falling behind all of the top 6 quickly as I can't see kane or Ali sticking around for that decline

 

[Janesy B]

Tottenham had to offload fringe players to buy. I'm sure Levy has said I've had so and so club or agent offer us this player and Pochettino has turned them down.

Spending money for the sake of it guarantees nothing and could even disrupt the balance of the squad. Just look at West Ham and Everton.

What needs to happen is the club throws a load of money at the two problem positions, midfield and defence, just like Liverpool did. Obviously that can't be afforded.

Yes it's great we have so many international players and had loads of Spurs players on show in the world cup but guess what, we're suffering constant muscular injuries throughout the season.

Do you think Fergie lets Kane play international friendlies or lets Son fly out twice during the season to play in worthless regional competitions? **** no.

The only pressure on him is to ensure UCL football because that's what brings in the money. Even the FA Cup couldn't save Wenger after consecutive failures to finish top 4. Money talks.

And yes I would swap a top 4 finish for an FA Cup one season, I'm aware that's not quite how football works but being 'nearly there' is hugely more frustrating than being mid table fodder. The new stadium has almost definitely cost us success on the field.

Today was an example of the same rubbish performances we've been getting away with, because at least with Kane, Dele, Eriksen or Son on the pitch you can just get a moment of good quality to get a result. You can't call it in with players like Dier and Trippier on the pitch, players that should be stepping up.

Poch has spent just short of 300 mil at Spurs including 31 mil on Sissoko, 20 mil on Jansen and a shed load Moura who doesn't look close to being a good player. That whilst inheriting a half decent team with Kane and Eriksen and continue to be his best players.

The same Moura that tore United a new one at Old Trafford? He was 27m, what does that get you nowadays? He brought in Son, turned Rose and Walker from complete liabilities into international full backs, sure you can inherit a great team but that's no good if you can't make use of it. Like Emery has a player being paid 350k a week and can't even fit him into his plans...

 

[omnomnom]

What does 27mil get you? Well less then half that gets you Shaqiri who’s twice the player if it helps. The fact is, Spurs’ best player is one Poch inherited and bags them a load of goals. The second best is Eriksen, also inherited. They are out and your team is dreadful. Poch has been very very fortunate when you think about it.

Also Salah and Mane cost a little over a 27 mil btw.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Poch mistake was not signing any players at all, even worse now there sqaud is dropping like flies

spurs 2nd string is good enough to beat palace...

 

[BaZ87]

Yes and no, if he was told he couldn't sign anyone surely the club logically would have said sell to buy at the least. They have fringe players they could offload to try improve depth or quality.

They can't as a club sign no one at all and also say if you sell you can't buy, that would ruin all the progress poch has done.

As other clubs would progress much quicker, as no stadium cost to worry about like spurs now have

Levy firmly controls the transfers at Spurs. Due to the stadium there was no money to spend and either didn't receive serious bids or Levy held out for too much money for those fringe players you mention. Poch has even commented on the fact that the club failed to sell players in the summer.

 

[Janesy B]

Salah was 45m euro rising to a potential 50m. Don't be so creative with figures. Tottenham nearly got Mane but wouldn't pay the wages and Shaqiri was cut price from a relagated team so wasn't available when we were looking.

Liverpool would (and did) finish mid table without Salah, Mane, Firmimho and (insert best midfielder at Liverpool here).

Look at how Real Madrid, three time consecutive Champions League winners have folded without Ronaldo. Team with 4 best creative players, arguably in their position in the league, out suddenly struggle. Yeah no ****!

 

[jonneymendoza]

What does 27mil get you? Well less then half that gets you Shaqiri who’s twice the player if it helps. The fact is, Spurs’ best player is one Poch inherited and bags them a load of goals. The second best is Eriksen, also inherited. They are out and your team is dreadful. Poch has been very very fortunate when you think about it.

Also Salah and Mane cost a little over a 27 mil btw.

iirc ozil is average most of the time and doesnt track back

 

[Janesy B]

iirc ozil is average most of the time and doesnt track back

Maybe if Arsenal had an organised and competitant defence they wouldn't need every single player tracking back to help with defense, instead one of Europe's greatest creative players is rotting on the bench behind a player that's being allowed to leave the club. That's a massive failing.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Maybe if Arsenal had an organised and competitant defence they wouldn't need every single player tracking back to help with defense, instead one of Europe's greatest creative players is rotting on the bench behind a player that's being allowed to leave the club. That's a massive failing.

It is what it is, Its the failings of wenger and the board.

Ozil would rot on liverpools bench too. why? because the whole team press and defend too. infact many top teams do nowadays.

 

[Janesy B]

His wages or contract is something that just has to be dealt with, so might as well make the best use of that sort of talent.

 

[jonneymendoza]

His wages or contract is something that just has to be dealt with, so might as well make the best use of that sort of talent.

by in effectively be 10 men when defending?
Yes it needs to be dealt with either play him or sell him.

 

[Janesy B]

9 - unless Leno is expected to double as a DM.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

9 - unless Leno is expected to double as a DM.

 

[Yas786]

Always a hoot when spud supporters chime in about Arsenal .

Spuds are now starting to go through what Arsenal have been through and to some extent still going through.

Nothing wrong with asking Ozil to track back in all honesty. Sure he isn’t that sort of player but by now he knows what Emery wants and isn’t giving it so sits on the bench.

Honestly I hope we sell him whether it be at a loss or whatever. He’s not a player that we can rely on, disappears when we play the big teams but shows up against the small teams etc.

 

[Janesy B]

I mean there was obviously a point in time where you loved him enough to put him in your signature so you must be disappointed about Ozil's fate

 

[Snax]

Poch/Levy didn't sign anyone because there was no one available who would improve the squad and in our budget.

Poch likes to run a strict 25 player squad and he wasn't willing to compromise on quality .

The problem is that a squad of that size can't absorb injuries well, especially if a club is competing on lots of fronts

Lamela, Wanyama, Dier and Moura are coming back from serious injuries. Demebele has a chronic condition which is why he was sold. Then when you have more normal inuries to other first team players, you are looking at Llorente , nkoudou, U21s and Jansen as the only available cover.

All of that being said, most teams would struggle if they lost Ali, Son, Kane, Dier, Lamela, Moura, Alderweireld, Demebele, Wanyama all at roughly the same time.