So name calling is okay as long as it doesn't go too far is the point you're getting at then?
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So name calling is okay as long as it doesn't go too far is the point you're getting at then?
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Why the hell are the media not picking up on how atrocious Valencia has been?!? Daily Mail actually gave him 6/10, same as Nani and Kagawa 
Even without the context, I knew exactly who you were talking about. Spot on!
You werent down to ten men
And anyone could see that every player on Tuesday ran their hearts out and could understand a little fatigue, first time its happened this season though!
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Fatigue is a stupid excuse, Hernandez, Rooney, Cleverley, Valencia, Kagawa should all have been fresh. Rvp and Welbeck only came on late anyway (and were both pretty awol) The reason we lost a 2 goal leed is Cleverley and Carrick. Carrick had a great first half but faded strongly in the second, Cleverley was just below par throughout. All it needed was a sub to add some fresh legs in at around the 55 min mark, but Fergie didn't do it.
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Why the hell are the media not picking up on how atrocious Valencia has been?!? Daily Mail actually gave him 6/10, same as Nani and Kagawa
I could have sworn a year or two ago you lot were waxing lyrical about how good he was. Its just that you didn't see that a bad player on form is still a bad player, merely the form is temporary.
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quoting him means I still have to see his nonsense 
Kicking a ball boy was fine though wasn't it, that wasn't out of order in the slightest. Only apt I use your 'couldn't make it up' phrase right about now
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Lol captain hindsight? Pretty sure it's not hindsight when I've been saying it for years.
I also said Rooney looks a bit heavy and slow. Cue goal from a free kick and this lot think he's top draw been practising free kicks in training lol.
But my view is clearly supported externally of this form as its in the papers about him being overweight again.
It seems when we are winning the little things seem to get brushed under the carpet by fans seeing the scoreline but not the performances.
With a squad this big it would seem impossible to have fatigued all your best players by march but it seems that is what fergie has somehow done to them.
So in relation to Valencia's form (as that's what you were initially criticising) what you're saying is people saw him getting tons and tons of assists last season (and his first season at the club) and were being fooled?
God man you talk utter crap
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Valencia was beyond abysmal when he came on yesterday, like even for Valencia that was embarrassingly poor, newspapers are hilarious with their "ratings", I forget which game it was, afterwards they gave Podolski(a german) something like 4/10 despite scoring a goal and being our best player, and Walcott, who had one of his truly horrendous games, a 7/10 for basicall being english.
Valencia would rate a genuine 1/10 yesterday, 1 for not scoring an own goal, his passing was terrible, he ran directly into a player and lost the ball every time he had the chance, uttely utterly awful.
Valencia was pretty rubbish last year, aside from a few flukey games against poor fullbacks(mostly) who fell for his, run and gun tactic. THe problem is, the few times that worked last year, let everyone know exactly how to play him this year and he's "worse" in that he's less effective, however he's playing no differently at all to the past 4-5 years in the premier league.
He got a single goal and 3 assists against teams you wouldn't classify as truly awful last year. This year he's been truly awful and he's also gotten 2 assists against teams you wouldn't call truly awful, West brom and Chelsea this year, City, Pool and Arsenal last year. The rest of his assists last year were Fulham, QPR, Wigan, Blackburn, Wolves, 5 of his assists against Wolves.
14 assists of which 7 came against teams that got relegated and a further 3 against teams in the relegation fight this season..... I wouldn't call that great, 7 assists in his first year, 2 against Wigan, 1 against Burnley, 3 against West Ham is hardly encouraging either. of his 5 goals he scored against Wigan, West Ham, Wolves, Bolton and Everton. His two "good" years, the vast majority of his goals/assists have come against the worst teams in the league, often those who get relegated, and almost nothing against top teams.
He's played the same way every year in english football, pace, strength, nothing else, it works against defenders at poor clubs with little quality, and not against anyone good.
Valencia was never good, isn't good, and was just overhyped.
EVERY player will have a good season, Heskey had a good season, one season wonders happen every year. A crap player can score a bunch, thats football, they won't do it consistently or against good opposition, Valencia hasn't had a single season at Utd where he's performed consistently well against the top half of the table, there is a reason for that, he's pretty crap. There was a reason Young and Nani score more, assist more(on average) and do MUCH better against the top half than Valencia, they are far better players.
Valencia would rate a genuine 1/10 yesterday, 1 for not scoring an own goal, his passing was terrible, he ran directly into a player and lost the ball every time he had the chance, uttely utterly awful.
Valencia was pretty rubbish last year, aside from a few flukey games against poor fullbacks(mostly) who fell for his, run and gun tactic. THe problem is, the few times that worked last year, let everyone know exactly how to play him this year and he's "worse" in that he's less effective, however he's playing no differently at all to the past 4-5 years in the premier league.
He got a single goal and 3 assists against teams you wouldn't classify as truly awful last year. This year he's been truly awful and he's also gotten 2 assists against teams you wouldn't call truly awful, West brom and Chelsea this year, City, Pool and Arsenal last year. The rest of his assists last year were Fulham, QPR, Wigan, Blackburn, Wolves, 5 of his assists against Wolves.
14 assists of which 7 came against teams that got relegated and a further 3 against teams in the relegation fight this season..... I wouldn't call that great, 7 assists in his first year, 2 against Wigan, 1 against Burnley, 3 against West Ham is hardly encouraging either. of his 5 goals he scored against Wigan, West Ham, Wolves, Bolton and Everton. His two "good" years, the vast majority of his goals/assists have come against the worst teams in the league, often those who get relegated, and almost nothing against top teams.
He's played the same way every year in english football, pace, strength, nothing else, it works against defenders at poor clubs with little quality, and not against anyone good.
Valencia was never good, isn't good, and was just overhyped.
EVERY player will have a good season, Heskey had a good season, one season wonders happen every year. A crap player can score a bunch, thats football, they won't do it consistently or against good opposition, Valencia hasn't had a single season at Utd where he's performed consistently well against the top half of the table, there is a reason for that, he's pretty crap. There was a reason Young and Nani score more, assist more(on average) and do MUCH better against the top half than Valencia, they are far better players.
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Valencia is a very frustrating player to watch. He has had periods of good form but this season it's pretty much absent. I don't honestly know why he keeps getting put on - what is he offering this season exactly as a player?
I am sorry to say, but I think he needs to go this summer. I also don't think it would be bad thing either, I mean Kawaga, Nani, and Young are all in better form than Valencia so it's no great loss. Plus, it would be the opportunity to replace Valencia with a good central midfielder, which I still maintain is a weak point at the moment. I doubt it will happen though.
I am sorry to say, but I think he needs to go this summer. I also don't think it would be bad thing either, I mean Kawaga, Nani, and Young are all in better form than Valencia so it's no great loss. Plus, it would be the opportunity to replace Valencia with a good central midfielder, which I still maintain is a weak point at the moment. I doubt it will happen though.
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Young is not better than anybody. Anybody. Scouting a couple of trade mark goals a season cutting in from the left is not enough. Valencia is the shadow of a good winger. Why do you think he gets played at right back?
I think Valencia is a good winger, he is just down on his confidence at the moment. He used to breeze past people with his pace, I don't think he has lost that pace altogether I do think however he has lost the confidence in his own ability.
On form, him and Rafael are almost unplayable down that side.
Just because he is having a bad patch of form/season everyone is saying he isn't a good winger.
Fergie thinks he is good enough, I defy anyone to go against what Fergie thinks, he isn't the best manager of all time for nothing.
On form, him and Rafael are almost unplayable down that side.
Just because he is having a bad patch of form/season everyone is saying he isn't a good winger.
Fergie thinks he is good enough, I defy anyone to go against what Fergie thinks, he isn't the best manager of all time for nothing.
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How long do you give him? It's been a good 6/8 months since he even had a good game let alone a great game. There's a difference between poor form and what he's putting out at the moment. He frankly looks like he doesn't even care.