The FA CUP Sixth Round ** Spoilers ** [11th - 13th March 2016]

No club has an entitlement to win things, all you can ask is that your team is in the running to win things.

Why did you highlight it then completely misinterpret it. Read what you bolded again, thoroughly, then explain what it has to do with your reply.

I said we knew the result before going in, not that we deserve to win, I don't care about losing. I don't care if Arsenal drop out of the top 4 while TRYING to improve. Unpredictable means wins, and losses, and draws. Maybe we actually turn up for a round of 16 game and get thrashed in the next round, that is fine. We fail at the same times, at the same stages, for the same reasons. We don't even attempt to fix the problems.

There is zero expectation and you are reading into something I clearly have never said. Trying to improve and failing to do so... that is absolutely fine with me. Trying to improve and winning, fantastic, failing, then making absolutely no attempt to fix the reasons you're failing is soul destroying.
 
That's the wrong attitude to have if you want to win things. :p

Well, it was an Arsenal fan jumping on Scholes for having a sense of entitlement and he was far more successful than any Arsenal player.

I agree that a winning mentality is important to err, well, winning. However, no club has a given right to win things. I enjoy how the media have blasted Wenger for 'not taking advantage' this season, as if winning the League is somehow easy and of course totally ignoring how well Leicester/Tottenham have done.
 
Why did you highlight it then completely misinterpret it. Read what you bolded again, thoroughly, then explain what it has to do with your reply.

I said we knew the result before going in, not that we deserve to win, I don't care about losing. I don't care if Arsenal drop out of the top 4 while TRYING to improve. Unpredictable means wins, and losses, and draws. Maybe we actually turn up for a round of 16 game and get thrashed in the next round, that is fine. We fail at the same times, at the same stages, for the same reasons. We don't even attempt to fix the problems.

There is zero expectation and you are reading into something I clearly have never said. Trying to improve and failing to do so... that is absolutely fine with me. Trying to improve and winning, fantastic, failing, then making absolutely no attempt to fix the reasons you're failing is soul destroying.

Are Arsenal worse off for points at this point compared to last season?

Arsenal do not have a right to automatically win things, just because of the poor form of Chelsea/Manchester United/Manchester City/Liverpool/Everton - does not automatically mean that Arsenal are going to win the title.

I agree that clubs should try and improve all the time, however, if Arsenal are doing better than last season then it is progress.

There are not many clubs that can reasonably expect to beat Barcelona over two legs - the assumption that Arsenal could is a deluded expectation from the fans, similarly to automatically assume that Arsenal should be top of the league / winning the FA Cup does a huge disservice to Watford and the other clubs fighting for the title.
 
Well, first up Arsenal are 5 points worse off despite all the teams above them doing worse this year than last year and giving us more points.

In 2016, Arsenal have the same points return in the league as Sunderland, 13. Bournemouth have 18, West Ham/Utd have 17, Liverpool have 14 but played a game less. Chelsea/Spurs have 20 and Leicester 21. Yup, Leicester, Chelsea and Spurs all have over 50% more points in the 10 games since xmas which is why we find ourselves so far off the top. At a time we were asked to perform to push for the title we became one of the poorer sides in the league.

However, because you missed the entire explanation of the second post. YOu again cite entitlement which I have showed absolutely nowhere. I didn't anywhere say we have the right to win things, nor that we definitely would if we got rid of Wenger. I said, very plainly, that trying to improve and failing is fine, trying to improve and winning would be great.... NOT trying to improve and making no attempts to fix the problems we have is the thing I can't stand.

You can't reasonably expect a team like Watford, with lets say a 40-50mil wage bill, to beat a team like Arsenal, with a 185mil wage bill... but it happened, why? Because sometimes teams play badly, even Barcelona, Bayern, etc. Yet Arsenal simply do not win these games at all anymore. Yes we should have a lower chance of winning such games than Bayern/Barca, but that doesn't mean never and it's the way we play these games. We roll over every time, it's not really about the quality of the other side, it's about Arsenal themselves.
 
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Well, first up Arsenal are 5 points worse off despite all the teams above them doing worse this year than last year and giving us more points.

In 2016, Arsenal have the same points return in the league as Sunderland, 13. Bournemouth have 18, West Ham/Utd have 17, Liverpool have 14 but played a game less. Chelsea/Spurs have 20 and Leicester 21. Yup, Leicester, Chelsea and Spurs all have over 50% more points in the 10 games since xmas which is why we find ourselves so far off the top. At a time we were asked to perform to push for the title we became one of the poorer sides in the league.

However, because you missed the entire explanation of the second post. YOu again cite entitlement which I have showed absolutely nowhere. I didn't anywhere say we have the right to win things, nor that we definitely would if we got rid of Wenger. I said, very plainly, that trying to improve and failing is fine, trying to improve and winning would be great.... NOT trying to improve and making no attempts to fix the problems we have is the thing I can't stand.

So that is what is happening this season? No?

Wenger has signed players, has improved the squad, has tried to improve and their form (according to yourself) is only 5 points behind last season.

Wenger clearly tries to improve the football, squad and first team season upon season :confused:.
 
So that is what is happening this season? No?

Wenger has signed players, has improved the squad, has tried to improve and their form (according to yourself) is only 5 points behind last season.

Wenger clearly tries to improve the football, squad and first team season upon season :confused:.

:rolleyes:

He has failed to address any of the reasons we lose such games repeatedly, buying a new player is meaningless if you give Walcott a new contract, bench your most in form players because Walcott/Ox get fit again(Campbell is 5 times the player of Walcott or Ox yet was instantly benched again when they were fit). He makes woeful substitutions, the mentality of the squad is wrong, he buys the wrong types of players.

Presuming that buying one player will have a dramatic effect on the squad when that isn't amongst any of the biggest reasons we suck is just dumb.

We've been buying new players every season for the past decade, mentality, tactics, wenger's sub choices, Wenger having favourites who get played no matter how bad they are. Sanchez being in shockingly bad form but not being dropped, buying someone as poor as Welbeck as back up to Giroud rather than buying a top striker because Giroud isn't good enough.

Wenger had 200mil sitting in the bank, at least 100mil + that could be spent and refused to buy a DM which meant we lost loads of points when Coquelin couldn't play because Arteta and Flamini are no where near good enough.

Buying one player, who wasn't the biggest issue, and losing all the points we have for all the long term issues he has failed to address in the past decade isn't 'improving'. The team hasn't improved, they play exactly the same football, they fail in exactly the same way, they fail to turn up to exactly the same games, they still have a mentality problem.

Also we are 5 points worse off, not sure why you think that is decent, it's 10 behind the same point in 13/14, the last time we won the title we were 21 points better off after 29 games.

21 points worse off than the last time we won the title where in between our budget has tripled... is improving?
 
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Who should Arsenal have signed? (Taking in to account of course of who wants to come to Arsenal)

Wenger signed a midfielder, to attempt to help size up the midfield. Wenger has signed Cech to help with confidence, experience and upgrade the goalkeeper.

Is that not an attempt to improve? You yourself said you do not mind attempting to improve and failing - that is what is happening is it not?

I think the problem is the level of expectation is too high.
 
Who should Arsenal have signed? (Taking in to account of course of who wants to come to Arsenal)

Wenger signed a midfielder, to attempt to help size up the midfield. Wenger has signed Cech to help with confidence, experience and upgrade the goalkeeper.

Is that not an attempt to improve? You yourself said you do not mind attempting to improve and failing - that is what is happening is it not?

I think the problem is the level of expectation is too high.

He signed a midfielder in January, months after Coquelin was injured who was cup tied for Europe when everyone knew we needed DM cover in summer. Wenger was happy with Arteta and Flamini and their performances cost us multiple points between them. Something completely avoidable, Arteta should have been gone at least 2 years ago, Flamini should never have been signed, we should have signed a top DM at that time but failed to because Wenger saw Arteta as good enough.

You're picking a single issue Wenger made a change on, but ignoring the 20 things he flat out refuses to change on a yearly basis. Changing one or 20 problems, refusing to acknowledge the other 20 problems and those 20 problems costing us every single year without fail... is not addressing those problems.

WHo should we have signed, we've needed a top DM for 5 years, there have been loads available in that time.

We should have signed a new manager, because without one he will continue to ignore the biggest problems in the team.
 
quite a watchable , even game - and thats saying something given its 6th vs 5th - albeit a cup game (and with fellaini playing)

Ref has missed some blatant fouls / corners but even so - both sides have had reasonable chances (possibly WHU gettting the better of them)
 
quite a watchable , even game - and thats saying something given its 6th vs 5th - albeit a cup game (and with fellaini playing)

Ref has missed some blatant fouls / corners but even so - both sides have had reasonable chances (possibly WHU gettting the better of them)

Fellaini is like a black hole that sucks the pleasure out of watching football. I truly hate him. It encapsulates everything that has gone wrong at our club since Fergie packed up. I can't believe he starts in a United shirt.Sigh.

Sadly there are too many that aren't much better.

PS that miss is why United sold Welbeck
 
Is it just me or does Payet look like a more athletic version of Anderson?
 
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