The Falklands thread

qel said:
Yes clearly this is the most pressing international issue of our age, forget the war in Afghanistan, the Euro crisis, Syria bombing their own people and Iran developing nukes we must solve this crisis or the whole world is doomed...
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Despite what I'm about to say, I am not some crackpot conspiracy theorist.

Iran are not developing nukes, the invasion of Iran has been planned since last century.



To the real comment though, there are certainly much more pressing matters than a search and rescue prince and a run of a single destroyer to warm its engines up...
 
Slam62 said:
The Americans were the opposite of supportive of the FW1
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Simply not true I'm afraid. The Americans appeared to behave very coolly towards us when we announced our intention to retake the Falklands by force - witness US Secretary of State Alexander Haig's seemingly increasingly desperate 'shuttle diplomacy' in the run up to the war - and their opinion that the war was 'unwinnable' but the reality was very different.

Firstly, while Ascension Island is technically a British Overseas Territory, it had been leased to the US as a strategic base; both for monitoring satellite communications and general SIGINT and also as a handy runway for their (brand new) Space Shuttle to use in a emergency. The Americans agreed to let us use it for our Vulcan bombers, Victor tankers, Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft and Hercules transport aircraft. The island's location was also a very useful stop-off point and staging post for shipping and supplies on the way down to the Falklands.

Secondly, not only did they let us use the airbase on Ascension, they provided a constant supply of vast quantities of aviation fuel to our aircraft there. When the British commander told the US military commander on Ascension how much fuel we'd need the US commander remarked that we'd never use that amount; the British commander replied that it was certainly our intention to try! Don't forget that it took 11 Victor tankers to get the Vulcan in position to bomb the runway at Port Stanley!

Thirdly, the US made available the latest, most technically advanced version of the AIM-9 Sidewinder missile; Specifically the AIM-9L 'All Aspect' version. Previous versions of the Sidewinder needed to be fired towards the rear of the target aircraft - the hot jet exhaust - in order to have a decent chance of scoring a hit. Having to get on the tail of a enemy aircraft in a dogfight rather than just getting it on one's sights at any angle adds greatly to the difficulty and danger of a dogfight. This new 'All Aspect' version could be fired at a enemy jet from any angle (hence the nickname!), greatly reduced this risk and provided the Sea Harriers with a significant advantage. That is not to say that the missile did all the work, but it did provide a massive boost in capability.

Thirdly, the US also made available to us the Shrike anti-radiation (radar) missile. We had been investigating using the Martel missile attached to the Vulcan to attack Argentine radar installations on the Falklands but the Shrike was a much more capable missile. Several of the later Black Buck Vulcan raids (including the infamous one where a Vulcan had to make a emergency landing in Rio due to its' inflight refueling probe breaking off) were launched with this purpose, taking out several Argentine radar installations on the island. This enabled the Sea Harriers (and RAF GR3s which joined later on in the conflict) to operate with more impunity in the air above the Falklands and provide Close Air Support (CAS) to our forces on the ground.

In short, the US kept up appearances that they were not in support of our Falklands campaign, but behind the scenes they did provide some significant assistance which probably proved vital to the successful outcome.
 
Guile said:
Nice try.

Who runs the Federal Reserve Reserve? Do you know what it is? Do you understand it's power? Do you undertand the power the printing press of a currency that is accepted in any country? Who ran the Russian mafia and is now protected in the UK since Putin kicked them out? Who are the Rothschilds?

When was the last time a Western government voted against a racial supremacist state (Israel)? Forget South Africa (that was Whites and racism against Whites doesn't exist). USA vetoes anything that will stop an empire-building Jewish state based on race. Israel runs America. The fact that you don't know it makes you clueless.
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Oh that is just adorable.....


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crinkleshoes said:
What is it with women and the Falklands?

First Maggie, now Christina.

*Note to self* don't vote for female leader until the Falklands needs another war...
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And on more important matters, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner = MILF? :p

Make love not war! lol

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Controversy exists over the Falkland's original discovery and subsequent colonisation by Europeans. At various times there have been French, British, Spanish, and Argentine settlements. Britain re-established its rule in 1833, yet the islands remain claimed by Argentina. In 1982, following Argentina's invasion of the islands, the two-month-long undeclared Falklands War between both countries resulted in the withdrawal of Argentine forces.
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Took them over 100 years to do anything about it in the first place and I'm pretty sure we took it from the french, not the argies.
So I personally think they don't really have a claim to them at all.
 
Should have ordered 8 T45's...

Should order at the very least 14 T26's, but will probably get around 7...

If we allow them to be taken by force again, we deserve the humiliation that will follow.
 
I don't really understand the issue with militarization when it's quite clear it's for defensive purposes.

Argentina shouldn't care one bit, unless of course they are seriously planning action.

Do they have any legitimacy in making a complaint to the UN?
 
Quite, if it wasn't for their previous invasion and on going claim then the only military would be a small local defence force and a detachment of royal marines.

Now they've got a destroyer, submarine, decent number of troops and fast jets... a successful invasion would involve deploying about 5000 men at once and capturing the well defended airfield within 24hours to prevent reinforcements being deployed. Reality is Argentina doesn't have the capacity to deploy thousands of troops at once in an amphibious assault let alone do so undetected, while their fleet us at risk from a nuclear sub and the worlds most advanced air defence destroyer is sat ready to shoot down their aircraft.
 
Vespasian777 said:
Why not just offer to sell the Falklands to the Argies. For an astronomical fee, due to the oil.
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It's not about the land, it's about the people. It would also be a massive insult to the British forces that defended the islands wouldn't it?

Also, not really surprised they're complaining about the '45:

In an "intensive attack" a single Type 45 could simultaneously track, engage and destroy more targets than five Type 42 destroyers operating together.
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