The Falklands thread

So basically its a case of "come and have a go if you think your hard enough" which we have all established that they are not.

Reminds he of when Spain sent some of their coastguard and fishing boats to Gibraltar, we send in one small navy ship and they sail off back to Spain with their tapas between their legs.

This is all hypothetical talk. Even if better equipped the Argentine government wouldn't attempt another invasion, it would be international political suicide.

I honestly don't think they even really want the islands. If they had them, where would the distraction from their domestic problems come from? Their 'official' inflation rate is less than half than what it actually is.

And do the people actually want the islands? They usually say they do when interviewed but that could well be because anyone that says otherwise is branded a traitor by the government.
 
Two of my favourite quotes on the Argentine posturing about the Falklands in recent days come from Dan Snow.

"President of Argentina dismissing Falklanders as an "implanted population" shows that on top of her many failings, she has no sense of irony.

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"The Falklands have been British for longer than California has been part of the USA."

To which I'd add for Americans taking the moral high ground on the subject of colonialism and islands thousands of miles away from the mainland (i'm looking at you Sean Penn) the word "Hawaii" ;)
 
So basically its a case of "come and have a go if you think your hard enough" which we have all established that they are not.

Reminds he of when Spain sent some of their coastguard and fishing boats to Gibraltar, we send in one small navy ship and they sail off back to Spain with their tapas between their legs.

Actually you wrong they didn't leave and still fish with para-military police to escort them. No oil around our neck off the woods.
 
Even if we are somehow made to concede possession of the islands can the Falklands not just declare independence as a sovereign state?

They could do, technically, but could they make it stick? 2900 people is a rather small population for a country.

why do Argentina believe they have a right to it?

I'm not even sure that they do. It's a political tool and attempted resource grab, so the Argentinian government would be doing it whether or not they believe they have a legit claim.

1764: A tiny French colony claims one of the islands for France.
1765: A tiny British colony claims all of the islands for Britain, apparently unaware of the French colony on a different island.
1767: France gives its colony to Spain and withdraws its claim to that 1 island.

Both the British and the Spanish colonies were abandoned a bit later, but neither country withdrew its claims. Argentina didn't even exist at this point.

Britain returned with a better funded colony. Spain never returned. Argentina never had a colony or anything else on the Falklands.

So when Britian returned permanently in 1833, the islands were uninhabited.

The basis for the Argentinian claim is that Argentina inherited the Spanish claim and Spain inherited the French claim, therefore the Argentinian claim is backdated to the French claim even though Argentina didn't exist at that time. It's unclear whether or not that would be legal and the French claim was only to 1 of the islands anyway. It was also never supported and it was withdrawn when France abandoned their colony.

The Argentinian claim is dubious at best, which is why it relies so strongly on disinformation such as talking about the UK giving the islands back to Argentina, which implies that they used to be Argentinian. That's completely false - they have never been Argentinian.
 
They could do, technically, but could they make it stick? 2900 people is a rather small population for a country.

Apart from defense the Falklands were self-sufficient, even before the discover of oil. If it wasn't for the Argentine invasion, they would probably be independent by now.
 
What is point in this talk of military might, we all know they cant do it and wont do it for rather obvious reasons.

A little bit redundant right now, if all we had was a guard dog called bobby on the islands, it might be warranted...might ;).

Joke aside, I just dont see the feasability of an attack on the falklands today, the Argentine population also dont seem to care too much about it beyond a symbol, most of them dont agree with what occured decades ago, so when the folks over 50 years old pass on, any real desire should aswell.

Which does lead me to one question, eventually it might seem to costly to justify such a force on the islands after said time, so i wonder how we shall deal with it.
 
Actually you wrong they didn't leave and still fish with para-military police to escort them. No oil around our neck off the woods.

Actually I was just going off news articles, yes I know they are not always 100% correct but they all I had to go off on the situation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18200678

The Spanish boats reportedly left the area later, after a Royal Navy vessel arrived and told them again to depart.
 
I watched Simon Weston on the TV yesterday talking about the Falklands. He was very pessimistic that the Argentinians could from any kind of attack force as most of their military is now in wreck and ruin.

He also commented on the oil discovered around there saying that it has so far been poor grade and there is no evidence future findings will be any different.
 
We have land based sentrys which we deploy around. But the royal navy does not have anything remotely like the hawkeye that the yanks have.

We also have a fleet of RAF E-3 Sentry AWACS. The RN have a fleet of Seaking ASaC7s, and the new QE class Carriers will have a variant of the Hawkeye or Osprey (depending on catobar) and the Merlin.

I think you are underestimating just how effective the Seaking is, both on Land and Sea operations and the RN AWACS capability is far better today than is was during the Falklands conflict or the small problem of operating a sea based Hawkeye in the first place.
 
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Just browsing when I came across this beauty


Entertaining but ultimately quite worrying...

wow.
 
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I think he means is, now the referendum is done the Argentine government will cede its claims, the people come first in their mind.

Not sure if my sarcasm metre is broked

We already know that the referendum will make no difference to the Argentine governments claims. The one before it clearly didn't.

Regardless, that wasn't really the point of the video. (not that it had much point at all other than to show how ridiculous some people are...:D)
 
There is only so much sarcasm a domestic meter can measure before it goes pop, sorry.:(

The new pope is Argentinian. What's the betting the new reason the Falklands should be handed over is 'cos god says so?
 
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