The Fight For Medicinal Cannabis Reaches Parliament.

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It's also worth mentioning that this isn't just a two option choice. We have:

Totally illegal
Legal on Prescription
Decriminalised (which I believe would necessitate a significant financial investment in the NHS to convince people to quit of their own accord and even then I'm not sure)
Legalised

Decriminalisation and legalisation should not be confused.
 
Frodo1805 said:
Mate theres never been a proven death as a result of cannabis.

People are already burning tobacco and smoking it with the added substance of nicotine which is the most dangerous substance that is currently legal.

And Alcohol is even worse, how many people does it kill, how many car accidents does it cause, how many phone calls to the police does alcohol cause, how many hospital patients are in there because of alcohol? How many of these things that i have listed can be accosiated to cannabis. None with the exception of car accidents maybe but you have to be stupid to drive and smoke in the first place because when your high you still have your inhabitions and common sense unlike alcohol.
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If it is so safe and no deaths have happened due to cannabis it would be safe for babies and children to use it?
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
So if it would worry you then why think it should be legalised? Im confused lol
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Because when considering the big picture of whether prohibition works (it doesn't) and of the probable level of damage legalisation would bring, I think society would probably be better off if it was legalised. However, that doesn't mean that there are no downsides to this or that I would recommend anyone becomes a full-on pot head. Not wishing to get into reductive arguments, but although I like a few beers and wouldn't want to see alcohol prohibited, I don't recommend anyone down 10 pints or a bottle of spirits every night, even though that is quite legal as long as you behave yourself and don't drive. Just because something is legal doesn't make it "good".
 
Moses said:
What do you mean by 'safe'? How safe, or unsafe, is acceptable?



Yes, because it's impossible to make your own alcohol :o.



Don't make stupid statements.
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List your reasons why it shouldnt be legalised for recreational use. alcohol is and there are so many negative aspects to it, ill list a few:


Accidents
Car Accidents
Fights
Nuisance alcohol related police calls
deaths related to alcohol run up to the thousands
liver damage and all the rest

yet its legal and cannabis isn't, ridiculous
 
Moses said:
Why does death have to be where the line's drawn? You say no one's ever died, as though that means it's okay... but what about the mental health risks and so forth?
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What mental health risks........nothings been 100% proven and what about the risks of alcohol and more importantly tobacco yet both are legal with no debate at all on whether they should infact be make illegal. Why is cannabis getting a bad rap, its proven to be WAAAAAAY less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco yet the ''omg its weed, its so bad'' crew are actually like ho's in this thread i swear man.
 
Frodo1805 said:
List your reasons why it shouldnt be legalised for recreational use. alcohol is and there are so many negative aspects to it, ill list a few:


Accidents
Car Accidents
Fights
Nuisance alcohol related police calls
deaths related to alcohol run up to the thousands
liver damage and all the rest

yet its legal and cannabis isn't, ridiculous
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Cannibis also causes

Accidents
Car Accidents
Mental health issues such as paranoia
Lung diseases
and in time with more studies im sure it will throw up more issues over time

Just because alcohol is legal and is very harmful doesnt mean another drug should be made legal, otherwise, you may as well start legalising other recreational drugs too
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
I agree, tobacco would never have been legalised in the modern day and I imagine strong alcohol such as spirits i doubt would have been as well. Alcohol was drank so much in the past due to the quality of water as it wasn't safe to drink. The alcohol made it safe to drink, hence, why so much beer and wine used to be drank.
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Pedant alert! :D

The alcohol content of Beer is nowhere near enough to sterilise it. However, the brewing process involves extended boiling so all the ingredients start off sterile as does the finished product.

Traditional Beer (And wine) is also a "Living" product, if it ever does become unsafe to drink it will generally taste bad thus providing a suitable warning.

;)
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Cannibis also causes

Accidents
Car Accidents
Mental health issues such as paranoia
Lung diseases
and in time with more studies im sure it will throw up more issues over time

Just because alcohol is legal and is very harmful doesnt mean another drug should be made legal, otherwise, you may as well start legalising other recreational drugs too
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looool, accidents - false such as? leaving the frige open? -

Car accidents -false yes if ur stupid enough to drive while your high. See u dont understand when somebody is ''high'' on weed there still in control of what there doing unlike alcohol. i still know i shouldn't drive and there isn't a limit to how much bud i can smoke until my thought pattern changes to ''maybe i should drive''. -

Mental health/paranoia: false - Not clinically proven and if it is the case it is only for long time users and those who are succeptable to mental health problems and/or if they have been smoking since an early age.

Lung diseases - no just no.
 
As much as I want the laws to change, I really, really don't think it's going to happen. People in this country are too conservative and as shown by many people in this thread, will write off the idea based on their preconceptions of the drug and the stigma attached without considering all the evidence. Maybe in 50 years attitudes may have changed enough, but I doubt it.

If America can do it, then I see no reason why we can't/shouldn't.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
No it wouldn't. Theyd just distribute a different illicit product.
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A fair point with current legislation, there is always a profitable illicit trade in one thing Or another, but I'd rather see law enforcement targeted on the more damaging aspects of society , the criminality of cannabis i belive does more harm than good.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Cannibis also causes

Accidents
Car Accidents
Mental health issues such as paranoia
Lung diseases
and in time with more studies im sure it will throw up more issues over time

Just because alcohol is legal and is very harmful doesnt mean another drug should be made legal, otherwise, you may as well start legalising other recreational drugs too
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Accidents - yeah I've left the oven on for too long a couple of times. I don't know what kind of accidents you're referring to.

Car accidents - it has been proven that drivers using cannabis are safer than those using alcohol

Mental health - anything can cause that, and there is no proven link

Lung disease - only if it's smoked
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Cannibis also causes

Accidents
Car Accidents
Mental health issues such as paranoia
Lung diseases
and in time with more studies im sure it will throw up more issues over time

Just because alcohol is legal and is very harmful doesnt mean another drug should be made legal, otherwise, you may as well start legalising other recreational drugs too
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Lung disease - new one on me! Maybe so if mixed with cigarette tobacco...

http://tokesignals.com/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-breathing-problems-may-help-lungs/

http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
I hope they dont leagalise it, there are already too many conspiracy theories as it it, we will be over run with them if they leagalise cannabis. How anyone thinks it is safe to smoke regulary is beyond me. Prolonged use makes people paranoid, hallucinate, lazy and stink.
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^^^^This!!
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
I hope they dont leagalise it, there are already too many conspiracy theories as it it, we will be over run with them if they leagalise cannabis. How anyone thinks it is safe to smoke regulary is beyond me. Prolonged use makes people paranoid, hallucinate, lazy and stink.
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I know a lot of stoners/knew a lot at uni. The ones who smell, are lazy, and are paranoid don't make up the majority.

Personally, I get very very mild paranoia occasionally. I don't smell, I have a full time job and work very hard, and I have never hallucinated; very few people have after smoking cannabis!
 
I've seen this issue crop up many times and there's almost always three different groups without common ground talking past each other;

Drugs = bad. No thought required.
Cannabis = good. No thought required.
The issue should be decided on the basis of evidence. Thought required.

"discussion" tends to be dominated by 1 or 2, depending on which forum is being used.

Quite pointless, really, since neither is based on thought or evidence and therefore isn't open to change.

Something that annoys me about the issue is the tendency for the more dishonest cannabis advocates to use alleged medicinal use as a cloak for recreational use. The two are different things. Using other people's suffering as a political tool to leverage in recreational use is a rather low thing to do.

Then there's the sweeping claims of cannabis being a miracle cure for pretty much everything without any side effects. That'll kill people because some people will believe it. Why go through chemo and surgery and suchlike when cannabis cures cancer without any side effects? It's only being suppressed because Big Pharma can't profiteer from it, don't ya know?

As for medical uses of cannabis in the completely uncontrolled way advocated...that's just silly. It's being portrayed as the most powerful drug in existence, capable of curing almost everything, and at the same time the same people are advocating that it should be produced without any quality controls or consistency of dosing (and usually taken in the most harmful way possible). Magic potions of healing in RPGs are treated in a more realistic way.

I'm not particularly bothered about people taking moderate quantities of cannabis as a recreational drug as long as they don't smoke it within range of anyone else and they don't endanger other people by doing things that require a clear head and normal reaction speeds (e.g. driving, flying, medical work, etc) while affected by the drug.

I am bothered by them pretending that cannabis is the most powerful and wide-ranging medicine in existence and using that claim to cloak recreational use. That's dishonest and harmful.

There's some evidence that some things in cannabis have some medicinal uses and that warrants more research, but that's not the same thing at all.
 
^TANK^ said:
Have a few more like Psychosis, depression, anxiety and Agoraphobia.
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I find all this a bit rubbish. What is prolonged use, smoking every day for a number of years? I wonder what the long term effects of drinking every day are?

Overuse any drug and you are going to end up is a nasty place. The kind of people that overuse them are exactly the kind of weirdos that you'd expect that have psychosis, depression, anxiety and agoraphobia in the first place.

Weed makes you lazy though. It's certainly harmful in a different way to other drugs.

Edit - I feel I may have chosen my words slightly insensitively, so apologies to anyone that takes what I said to heart!
 
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