The fur trade.

penski · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:07

Nitefly said:
If you wouldn't mind, it would seem you are just keyboard warrioring to me :/

Or...I genuinely don't mind...?

:/

*n

Nitefly · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:10

cymatty said:
If i didn't have to do it, or watch it happening and just got the end product i wouldn't care.

If it was next door, in the next room to you, and you could cause something less pain, I honestly don't believe anyone would be so mean as to torture something to death for the hell of it for no reason.

I'm not even that bothered by the topic really, but I would chose a painless death to anyone if possible. I think you are just being 'eminem-esque' for saying that. For lack of a better word.

Zefan · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:12

Nitefly said:
If it was next door, in the next room to you, and you could cause something less pain, I honestly don't believe anyone would be so mean as to torture something to death for the hell of it for no reason.

I'm not even that bothered by the topic really, but I would chose a painless death to anyone if possible. I think you are just being 'eminem-esque' for saying that. For lack of a better word.

Agreed.

cymatty · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:14

Nitefly said:
If it was next door, in the next room to you, and you could cause something less pain, I honestly don't believe anyone would be so mean as to torture something to death for the hell of it for no reason.

I'm not even that bothered by the topic really, but I would chose a painless death to anyone if possible. I think you are just being 'eminem-esque' for saying that. For lack of a better word.

No not at all, if i was in the next same room then yes of course i would chose the painless option, however if like the tv program it was happening in China or somewhere far away i would not really care.

Look at all the things you use or eat:
-Meat
-Fish
-Cosmetics

Now people use these daily and i bet nobody knows where 0.00001% of the stuff comes from or how the animals were treated or killed, do we care no, so why are we so upset when we see a piece of propaganda?

Spud21 · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:15

basmic said:
For those (such as myself) who missed the show on BBC, here is a sample of what it may have contained: CLICK WITH CAUTION!

Even with that i saw no evidence of the animals being skinned alive, all i saw was a dead cat being skinned and a load of dead cats yet to be skinned, so where does the OMG they are being skinned alive come from ? Not the world nicest practice but didn't really bother me, as i had no emotional connection to any of the animals, i that was my cat then i would see it smewhat differently though.

As i already said i don't get why they are mistreated while alive, it makes absolutely no sense to me, not from an animal welfare POV mind, but a mistreating them like that is going to **** up the coats, anyone who has a cat or dog knows full well that the healthier the animal the better condition the coat is in, my cats coat is now in pretty poor condition as she is old and not particularly healthy anymore (not in any pain, just a very old cat).

^TANK^ · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:21

basmic said:
I eat meat, but I am full-stop against fur, purely because of how they go about obtaining the fur.

We can at least stun our farm animals before their throats are slit, etc. At least that way, the animal has a semi-decent ending. So why can't they stun the cats and dogs, before skinning them?

I remember seeing a video (Peta, IIRC), and saw a dog pretty much being dangled in the air by its hind legs, and cut open and the skin was peeled away from the animal.

IIRC, leather comes from cows that have been slaughtered. I'm not that fussed, because I equally enjoy roast beef, as I do the smell, look and feel of leather. If they were killed just for the leather, I might have a problem however.

Anyway, basically all I'm saying is this. If they killed the animals in a 'decent' manner, then fur wouldn't bother me. It's the fact they do it in such a volatile way that gets my goat up.

For those (such as myself) who missed the show on BBC, here is a sample of what it may have contained: CLICK WITH CAUTION!

those people are inhuman in my qpinion and make me feel sick. i cant understand how anyone could be so wicked but for **** sake skinning those cats and dogs alive throwing them around like there rubbish :mad:

thats just evil and twisted.

Nitefly · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:21

cymatty said:
Now people use these daily and i bet nobody knows where 0.00001% of the stuff comes from or how the animals were treated or killed, do we care no, so why are we so upset when we see a piece of propaganda?

I didn't watch the programme I'm just challenging those who say they don't care about such a 'I can't get my head around it' matter. As far as I'm aware the majority of animal products do not have to have there animals to go through unbelievable pain for our enjoyment, rather a death that lasts several seconds. Anything above that is cruel in my belief.

basmic · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:22

Spud21 said:
Even with that i saw no evidence of the animals being skinned alive, all i saw was a dead cat being skinned and a load of dead cats yet to be skinned, so where does the OMG they are being skinned alive come from ? Not the world nicest practice but didn't really bother me, as i had no emotional connection to any of the animals, i that was my cat then i would see it smewhat differently though.

I don't remember saying it contained animals being skinned alive.

Basmic said:
I remember seeing a video (Peta, IIRC), and saw a dog pretty much being dangled in the air by its hind legs, and cut open and the skin was peeled away from the animal.

<snip>

For those (such as myself) who missed the show on BBC, here is a sample of what it may have contained

Spud21 · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:25

basmic said:
I don't remember saying it contained animals being skinned alive.

I never said you did

People in this thread appear to be cnstantly banging on that the animals are skinned alive, one would assume as this is peta footage they would not exactly pick the "nice" bits of the fur trade in china, so if that didn't show the animals being skinned alive then it's somewhat unlikely that it happens wholesale in china.

It was purely because you posted the link that i quoted you

tb2000 · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:25

You did see a few seconds (they couldn't show the whole thing on the programme as it was so sick) at the end of an Alsatian being skinned alive, on footage they showed to the European Court. Even a few seconds made me feel ill.

cymatty · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:25

Nitefly said:
I didn't watch the programme I'm just challenging those who say they don't care about such a 'I can't get my head around it' matter. As far as I'm aware the majority of animal products do not have to have there animals to go through unbelievable pain for our enjoyment, rather a death that lasts several seconds. Anything above that is cruel in my belief.

I don't think its the right way to kill them, they could do it with less pain, however it would not stop me buying the product. I'm sorry but with things like this i am only interested in the end product, i do not have the time or inclanation to find out the back story to the product.

^TANK^ · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:28

ive seen graphic footage of animals being skinned from china ie cats dogs its very real this does happen and these people should be strung up for it :mad:

Spud21 · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:28

tb2000 said:
You did see a few seconds (they couldn't show the whole thing on the programme as it was so sick) at the end of an Alsatian being skinned alive, on footage they showed to the European Court. Even a few seconds made me feel ill.

I'm sure that it does happen, as i'm sure just about every other act of inhumanity happens on this planet, but the picture some present is that it is wolesale, but it seems to be a minor part of the fur trade, even with the chinese.

tank said:
ive seen graphic footage of animals being skinned from china ie cats dogs its very real this does happen and these people should be strung up for it

Why ?

Vanilla · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:29

^TANK^ said:
ive seen graphic footage of animals being skinned from china ie cats dogs its very real this does happen and these people should be strung up for it

Same.

Both cats and racoons. Racoon is looking around, still alive and missing its skin.

^TANK^ · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:31

Spud21 said:
I'm sure that it does happen, as i'm sure just about every other act of inhumanity happens on this planet, but the picture some present is that it is wolesale, but it seems to be a minor part of the fur trade, even with the chinese.

Why ?

because its twisted need i say more :rolleyes:

im not talking about footage ive seen in this thread im talking about other footage ive seen over the net

tb2000 · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:32

Spud21 said:
I'm sure that it does happen, as i'm sure just about every other act of inhumanity happens on this planet, but the picture some present is that it is wolesale, but it seems to be a minor part of the fur trade, even with the chinese.

Why ?

Would you say that if the footage was of a child being skinned alive?

cymatty · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:34

tb2000 said:
Would you say that if the footage was of a child being skinned alive?

A child is part of our species and we have inbuilt feelings to feel and to protect for our own, aniimals or the other hand are just on the lower rungs of the food chain.

4T5 · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:35

My Ten cents.
When i see stuff like that it makes me feel bad inside. Period.
There is nothing artificial about this it's a responce that i have no control over. I cannot stand the sound of dogs fighting cats fighting animals of any kind suffering.
I can odviously ignore things i know nothing about it's called Ignorance.
Now my comments were relating to a TV show that was on in my front room.
So read above and read again then comment with sum substance.
I would NOT sit down with anyone who could watch such cruelty and not be affected. They must be cold and heartless and the same kind that get pleasure from Dog fights **** fights and the like.
I don't want anything to do with anyone like that.
This is my choice and my opinion.
Thats all.

^TANK^ · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:37

just because its an animal doesnt meen it should be treated like a peace of **** come on some of these post are worrying

tb2000 · 19 Apr 2006 at 23:37

cymatty said:
A child is part of our species and we have inbuilt feelings to feel and to protect for our own, aniimals or the other hand are just on the lower rungs of the food chain.

Well I feel the same for the animals as I do for example children that are abused. The animals have no voice, and cannot defend themselves from this sort of thing, same as the children. However if I was to see an adult having the same thing done to them I can't say I would have the same (or as strong) feelings.