The Fury(X) Fiji Owners Thread

[BigRazer93]

Weird, i have not seen this behaviour at all.

What are the VRM temperatures? Download HWINFO64 to check the temperatures.

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43c on the vram using hwinfo.

I've tried resetting Windows 10 like a fresh reinstall incase it was that but still the same. I'm out of ideas?

 

[LtMatt]

43c on the vram using hwinfo.

I've tried resetting Windows 10 like a fresh reinstall incase it was that but still the same. I'm out of ideas?

Are you able to reproduce this behaviour on the stock cooler?

 

[BigRazer93]

Are you able to reproduce this behaviour on the stock cooler?

I could try but means dismantling the card and full wc setup and put air cooler back on.

Since I've redone Windows, the division seems abit slow. I might try Windows 7 and see if anything improves, if not then will remove the card and try different things.

 

[gupsterg]

Still having throttling issues with my nano.

Soon as it his 40c, it starts throttling even though it's water cooled. I've tried power limits and all sorts, still have the issue. I've flashed to amd's uefi or what ever bios and still doing it.

Any help?

Can you post HWiNFO screenie like AMD Matt did of your card whilst under load?

In the ROM is PowerTune section part of PowerPlay. When we adjust PowerLimit via driver/software I think currently it only boosts TDP value but not TDC / MPDL.

Nano has lower values IIRC than Fury X, due to a) lower phase count VRM on PCB b) PCI-E power plug. Even though Nano has 1x 8pin PCI-E plug it can use more power if bios is modded, the PCI-SIG official spec is 150W for 8 pin plug but the hardware spec is higher. View last table in this link. AMD have in the past built cards to hardware spec, for example 295X2, it had 2x 8 pin plugs; read the 2nd & 3rd paragraph below the PCB image on this link.

I have seen my Fury X hit watts higher than what a stock ROM would have and amps close to limit, I use custom modded ROM .

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Besides what clock/voltage the GPU is at, what will effect power draw is how leaky the chip is, Nano's tend to be less leaky chips than Fury/X from what I've noted.

Here is a compare image of Fury / Fury X / Nano / Radeon Pro Duo (has master/slave ROM) ref PCB stock ROMs PowerLimit compare.

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[BigRazer93]

Can you post HWiNFO screenie like AMD Matt did of your card whilst under load?

In the ROM is PowerTune section part of PowerPlay. When we adjust PowerLimit via driver/software I think currently it only boosts TDP value but not TDC / MPDL.

Nano has lower values IIRC than Fury X, due to a) lower phase count VRM on PCB b) PCI-E power plug. Even though Nano has 1x 8pin PCI-E plug it can use more power if bios is modded, the PCI-SIG official spec is 150W for 8 pin plug but the hardware spec is higher. View last table in this link. AMD have in the past built cards to hardware spec, for example 295X2, it had 2x 8 pin plugs; read the 2nd & 3rd paragraph below the PCB image on this link.

I have seen my Fury X hit watts higher than what a stock ROM would have and amps close to limit, I use custom modded ROM .

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Besides what clock/voltage the GPU is at, what will effect power draw is how leaky the chip is, Nano's tend to be less leaky chips than Fury/X from what I've noted.

Here is a compare image of Fury / Fury X / Nano / Radeon Pro Duo (has master/slave ROM) ref PCB stock ROMs PowerLimit compare.

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Thanks for the information

Here is an image for what you have requested

The max I've seen the GPU core power is 312w. But wasnt recorded as I restarted pc. This screen shot was with firmark and valley previously running.

If I don't have an hardware issue, your saying I need to edit some powerplay settings in the BIOS to stop it being a fart?

 

[gupsterg]

No worries on info share .

Stock Nano ROM TDC is 200A you've touched 225A (MAX) which would have caused a throttle IMO.

Furmark I never run on a GPU, I did it once on a Hawaii card to just see why people were using it. When I saw that the GPU was never reaching highest DPM state due to drivers detecting it as a "power virus" (IIRC), I've never used it again. I also don't use Kombuster & OCCT.

Depending on LeakageID of GPU, what voltage the GPU is at, clocks it's set to plus depending on VRM temps/loading things like Furmark/Kombuster/OCCT can draw too much power across VRM = damage. This info was posted by The Stilt several times on OCN. The Stilt is a pro overclocker with exceptional AMD product knowledge and OC experience.

I don't know if Nano has "Power Efficiency" setting in drivers page (Gaming>Global settings), you see even on a Fury or Fury X without setting PE=Off Valley or Heaven will never stick to DPM 7 (highest state ie 1000MHz on Nano). Regardless if I upped PL in software or ROM, this I suspect is down to "PowerTune" tech. I still use Heaven/Valley for stability/artifact testing, how I see it is I wanna see if OC is stable with GPU clock rising up/down .

I use 3DM FS to gauge if PowerLimit is appropriate for OC, 3DM will stick to DPM 7 regardless if PE=On or Off in driver. Some games are also good to use for testing (ie Crysis 3), note I said some, as some games due to "PowerTune" tech will not stick to highest GPU state.

If you double-click on the GPU clock value in HWiNFO you'll see a graph popup, this can be better to use to assess if GPU is sticking to highest state whilst under load.

IMO as you've got Nano under WC you are in good position to exploit GPU with bios mod . Even though the Nano has 4 phase VRM to GPU (ref PCB Fury/X is 6) you're looking at ~280A (depending on temp, he stated ~125C) available from info given by a member on OCN who viewed a) datasheet info of mosfets b) rating for chokes.

Run the 3DM FS whilst getting monitoring data, do it with driver defaults, stock ROM and no increase in PL, etc via OverDrive or MSI AB, etc. If you get throttling I'm willing to help you with bios mod .

Just to state my experience with bios mod I've been involved with Hawaii bios mod for over a year, had 4 differing Hawaii cards. Been doing Fiji bios mod for 4mths and had 1x Fury Tri-X and 6x Fury X cards.

 

[BigRazer93]

Thanks for the detailed information, I really appreciate it

Bios modding goes over my head, I've had a good look on your bios editing thread on another forum.

I'm in work at the moment, but I shall try some of the apps/games to show you a graph of voltages etc

I don't know if this problem is just my card, or all nanos but I wouldn't of bought it if I knew it throttles still with being underwater and with low temperatures.

If you could help me with a bios that could stop all this grief that would be amazing

Like I said, will do some tests with different drivers, on stock ROM etc

Many thanks

 

[gupsterg]

No worries .

For now don't worry about the OCN Fiji bios mod thread , I will help you as much as I can .

Don't waste time on swapping drivers TBH . I've stuck to 16.3.2 WHQL so far as they perform slightly better in benches I run when testing OC'ing. As I don't need the bug fixes in latest drivers for games, etc I haven't updated to them, if you do then crack on and use those.

Don't worry about going all out on testing with differing games/apps yet , get the 3DM FS monitoring data only for now.

Test 1

For a run of 3DM using HWiNFO monitoring in the background, I only need the screenshot of data as you showed in screenshot post 7065 don't bother graphing GPU clock with it.

Test 2

For a run of 3DM using MSI AB monitoring in the background but set it to log data, the HML file which is created you can upload to say googledrive, dropbox, etc and share link for me to gain and view. In MSI AB I would like graph for GPU temp, GPU clock, GPU usage, GPU voltage, GFX RAM clock, GFX RAM usage, the other things that can be monitored just disable those, if you don't mind organise the monitoring data as I've typed as I'm used to seeing it that way.

Stick to driver defaults, stock ROM for tests above.

 

[gupsterg]

I have found a way to confirm AMD Matt's HBM / MC clock steps information , if someone else has on OCuk already found how to I apologise for repeat of info.

Due to the size of post I'm linking to it on OCN, hopefully it is not against the rules.

 

[BigRazer93]

Here is the HWINFO screen shot after running 3dmark

Here is the link for the MSI AB log file in the correct order for you to look at. I've used standards clock's, stock ROM and driver defaults.

Many thanks

 

[gupsterg]

Cheers .

At stock clocks the Nano is all over the place on GPU clock at points it should be flat line of 1000MHz .



The moments the GPU usage is practically 0% is when loading screens, etc are happening and card is not sticking to 300MHz, I'm deducing Nano does not have "Power Efficiency" toggle? check in Gaming>Global Settings.

Next I need the EVV VID per DPM, view this video. The trial version of AIDA64 will work if you don't have full version, also enable "Status bar" in "View" menu, again data must be gained at stock clocks / rom / driver settings.

Just for me to ref for bios mod purpose:-

i) what PSU do you have?
ii) system spec / if you have OC on CPU what is it?

 

[Gerard]

Installed a fury x for a friend tonight and no surprise it had the pump issue. Not quite as pronounced as the ones i had but still very much there and as anyone can attest to that's had a fury x with this sound once you notice it you sort of tune into it and its always there.

Looked at some pics of the internals of the fury pro duo and the cooling looks vastly upgraded over the fury x, kinda makes the fury x almost look "ghetto modded" as it has a lot more in the way of liquid tubing going to specific areas, whereas the fury x had a pipe that was flattened at one section to cool some of the hot components.






Pity a version of that up-rated cooling never made it into regular fury x boards =/

 

[BigRazer93]

Cheers .

At stock clocks the Nano is all over the place on GPU clock at points it should be flat line of 1000MHz .



The moments the GPU usage is practically 0% is when loading screens, etc are happening and card is not sticking to 300MHz, I'm deducing Nano does not have "Power Efficiency" toggle? check in Gaming>Global Settings.

Next I need the EVV VID per DPM, view this video. The trial version of AIDA64 will work if you don't have full version, also enable "Status bar" in "View" menu, again data must be gained at stock clocks / rom / driver settings.

Just for me to ref for bios mod purpose:-

i) what PSU do you have?
ii) system spec / if you have OC on CPU what is it?

I'm really honest it's a software issue because now it never goes into 1000mhz unless you alt tab out of a game while it's running. It was fine till hot 39c ish then throttles now seem to never reach 1ghz.

Psu is corsair hx850. Was running gtx 480sli no issue and are very power hungry.

I'm using core i7 4770k oced 4.4ghz
8gb ddr3 2400mhz

I shall run the extra stuff you need.

Many thanks

 

[Jumper118]

Installed a fury x for a friend tonight and no surprise it had the pump issue. Not quite as pronounced as the ones i had but still very much there and as anyone can attest to that's had a fury x with this sound once you notice it you sort of tune into it and its always there.

Looked at some pics of the internals of the fury pro duo and the cooling looks vastly upgraded over the fury x, kinda makes the fury x almost look "ghetto modded" as it has a lot more in the way of liquid tubing going to specific areas, whereas the fury x had a pipe that was flattened at one section to cool some of the hot components.

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Pity a version of that up-rated cooling never made it into regular fury x boards =/[/QUOTE]

At least the water blocks for it are cheap because they are so small :)

 

[gupsterg]

Installed a fury x for a friend tonight and no surprise it had the pump issue. Not quite as pronounced as the ones i had but still very much there and as anyone can attest to that's had a fury x with this sound once you notice it you sort of tune into it and its always there.

I've had 6 differing Fury X and had no issues with pump noise and great cooling IMO with slight fan profile mod in ROM. I'm not saying your friend's card does not have pump noise. Unless he's bought an old card all the ones I've had have had possibly the 3rd version of pump (AFAIK).

V1.0

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V3.0

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Earliest production date card I have is Nov 15 (V3.0 pump).

I'm really honest it's a software issue because now it never goes into 1000mhz unless you alt tab out of a game while it's running. It was fine till hot 39c ish then throttles now seem to never reach 1ghz.

Psu is corsair hx850. Was running gtx 480sli no issue and are very power hungry.

I'm using core i7 4770k oced 4.4ghz
8gb ddr3 2400mhz

I shall run the extra stuff you need.

Many thanks

I reckon with a bit of PL mod in ROM we should get 1000MHz back , cheers for system spec (all good IMO).

 

[BigRazer93]

I reckon with a bit of PL mod in ROM we should get 1000MHz back , cheers for system spec (all good IMO).

Here is the link to the VID info you need from AIDA

 

[Gerard]

I've had 6 differing Fury X and had no issues with pump noise and great cooling IMO with slight fan profile mod in ROM. I'm not saying your friend's card does not have pump noise. Unless he's bought an old card all the ones I've had have had possibly the 3rd version of pump (AFAIK).

V1.0

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V2.0

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V3.0

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Was snagged form the rainforest and i did notice one of the plastic seals wasn't stuck down so quite possible it was a return and sold as new.

 

[gupsterg]

Here is the link to the VID info you need from AIDA

Cheers .

Read in Fiji bios mod OP @ OCN:-

i) heading ATiFlash

ii) heading Having issues after a flash like clocks, etc not being correct?

Do not add PL via OverDrive or MSI AB, etc when using this ROM. As OverDrive RAM Limit has been raised to 600MHz you will:-

i) see a HBM clock slider in OverDrive page.
ii) not need "Extend Official Overclocking Limits" enabled in MSI AB, if you have it enabled prior to flash disable it.

Flash only 1 bios position. Save a copy of your stock ROM. You may need to use Windows command line AtiFlash in forced mode for first flash of card.

Here is +PL Nano ROM .

This is Offical AMD Nano 107 ROM on AMD Community site but with mod to PL & OD RAM Limit plus newer UEFI/GOP module .

The rerun 3DM FS test 1 & 2, let's see if this slight mod helps .

 

[BigRazer93]

Cheers .
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Thanks for the time and effort for the ROM.

Here is what Hwinfo looks like



Here is what MSI AB monitoring looks like. Still not a solid 1000mhz But seems like a higher average mhz.

I've done a fresh install on windows 10, and on drivers 16.3.2 all default.

This was using the PL ROM you give me.

Thanks

 

[gupsterg]

Cheers for data, we are getting there , HML / HWiNFO looking better .

We are still within spec for VRM / PCI-E Rail hardware spec wise , but as it's not my card I'd rather be cautious . I always only set PL just right with small headroom on my cards , so doing the same for yours .

Try this and report back .

If you wish to see what is being done to the ROMs open them in Fiji bios editor app located in OP of Fiji bios mod thread @ OCN.

Do not run anything like Furmark / Kombustor / OCCT when on PL+ ROM, there are still safe guards in ROM but as I wouldn't run those apps advising you not to as well .