The game that was better than WoW (and probably still is)

Yeah it bleed customers to WoW because of that. I was one!! But it just as solo friendly as any other MMO now.

Finding a good and mature guild(which weren't hard to find) might of prevented you from leaving.

Finally, do think Wow has evolved brilliantly and is a blast to solo, and now I actually love the graphic style at times.

The game killer for me is when you ding to 80. I didn't have many purple items maybe 3. There wasn't much point in soloing as the Wotlk quests were on the boring side.

So I wanted to RAID, this was impossible due to all the RAID recruiters being obsessed with GS (Gear score), the attitude was crap and while I enjoyed getting to 80, I felt I had wasted alto of time.

Ultimately, the vast majority of the Wow community is crap, and I will only go back to it to solo the new patch and add-on from creating a new wolf.

Must admit though, I'm very tempted to play EQ2 again now, but I'm loving my single player games too much!
 
I wouldn’t not agree combat more complex then WoW’s. The said longer CD often means selecting a skill comes down to what’s off CD, with sometimes only one spell available! Not much thought there what to use.

Healing a lot simpler then WoW. It has the same “triage, not everyone needs to be at 100% health” as Cataclysm but you only have a few spells to use and again often only one off CD.

Oh and crafting the most boring grind since WoW’s fishing and Archaeology. Much prefer WoW version but in EQ2 you do make things people want and wear.

I used fighters, while you obviously use images, so I disagree, Paladins were much trickier to play in EQ2 imo. I have a level 80 Pally on Wow.

The crafting is marvellous in my opinion. The crafting model has not been bettered in any other game except maybe Vanguard. Basically you can gather your own ingredients, and spend time creating interesting and rare weapons. It involves quite a bit of skill. There is buttons to enhance durabilty, then buttons to advance the progress. Each comes with a risk of lowering the final product.

Steel for example is a rare tier 2 metal (or was). There was nothing more satifising then created my first steel sword that was enhanced with a gem or something, can't quite remember, but I made it perfectly and was pretty chuffed.

You could spend a whole session in the crafting house, and enjoy every minute, like I did. You can also become a trusted and somewhat recognized weaponsmith :)

Crafting is also a good diversion until you can adventure with the 200% xp bonus.

Wow is actually a massive time sink crafting wise too, if you look for the ingrediants you need. If you don't then it becomes worse, a massive money sink. At the end of it you items cost more to make then they are to sell, pointless and boring. It just seems to exist so people can get different achievments for it or such.

It seems like you didn't like the crafting, that doesn't mean someone else won't adore it.
 
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If I remember rightly they were both reviewed in the same issue of PC Gamer. WoW scored very highly whereas they said Everquest It was a victim of overproduction and received a very mediocre score.

PC Gamer was the worst magazine then, and is even worse now. If it didn't have an American parent company it should have been flushed down the toilet years ago.

A travesty that Zone is gone and that junk is still on the shelves.

I won't buy another PC mag again(unless Zone resurrects with Wandy and the gang), I'll stick with gamesTM every now and then and various websites, and this site it seems too :)
 
as far as i remember everyone had voices in eq2 at launch and thats what i was reffering to :p

Nope was only about the first few levels at launch.

I never played EQ2 but I only play Wow for pvp (arena) for glad title and mounts, Is their anything like this in EQ2 ?

Yeah but no one really plays it. Your find a few 30-39 games but I’ll stick to WOW for PvP.

The crafting is marvellous in my opinion. The crafting model has not been bettered in any other game except maybe Vanguard. Basically you can gather your own ingredients, and spend time creating interesting and rare weapons. It involves quite a bit of skill. There is buttons to enhance durabilty, then buttons to advance the progress. Each comes with a risk of lowering the final product.

Involves zero skill if you ask. You just hit the enhance durability skill unless it says others wise. Plus it far to random, you can fail grey recipes just because the RNG says so.

The game killer for me is when you ding to 80. I didn't have many purple items maybe 3. There wasn't much point in soloing as the Wotlk quests were on the boring side.

So I wanted to RAID, this was impossible due to all the RAID recruiters being obsessed with GS (Gear score), the attitude was crap and while I enjoyed getting to 80, I felt I had wasted alto of time.

Yeah but that’s no different then any other game.

The day my EQ2 conj hit 80 was the day I stopped playing. Had done 95% of the quest and didn’t want to raid or grind gear. You won’t get into a top EQ2 raiding guild with no gear.

And I stopped playing Guild Wars when I done all the story lines. I couldn’t raid or do competitive PvP even if I wanted because I didn’t have the gear or titles/achievements people wanted. And I got dumped out of groups because I didn’t have the flavour of the month healing set up.
 
Involves zero skill if you ask. You just hit the enhance durability skill unless it says others wise. Plus it far to random, you can fail grey recipes just because the RNG says so.

You've made the mistake of disregarding the first tier crafting skills, which you need for all tier items. If you know what you're doing you will never fail a grey. It seems because of your lack of skill/knowledge you fail greys and blame it on randomness.

Yeah but that’s no different then any other game.

The day my EQ2 conj hit 80 was the day I stopped playing. Had done 95% of the quest and didn’t want to raid or grind gear. You won’t get into a top EQ2 raiding guild with no gear.

And I stopped playing Guild Wars when I done all the story lines. I couldn’t raid or do competitive PvP even if I wanted because I didn’t have the gear or titles/achievements people wanted. And I got dumped out of groups because I didn’t have the flavour of the month healing set up.
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Well if you were in a guild in EQ2 you would be taking to raids with or without amazing gear. In fact gear didn't come into question, and it shouldn't(why not make the game a bit more challenging and fun?).

Do you never get sick when you hit 80 in Wow and all you see is SPAM for raids for people with GS of such and such?

I'm not convinced that the snobbish attitude that exists in Wow exists in EQ2, it is something young or even very young kids would request(GS) or dick heads who I wouldn't want to raid with in the first place.

Very few players in Wow actually have any patience(like children don't), they just want to fly through dungeons, it just all seems pointless to me.
 
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DAOC > All MMROPGs ever

well back in the day, if all these games were relased at the same time DAOC in its original incarnation was boss.

Massive r v r battles, siege warfare, graphically at the time it was sweet,i'll admit it didn't age well though. Now its different though as when I left all those years ago it was just servers full of stealthers :(
 
You've made the mistake of disregarding the first tier crafting skills, which you need for all tier items. If you know what you're doing you will never fail a grey. It seems because of your lack of skill/knowledge you fail greys and blame it on randomness.

You can fail grey recipe or find it hard to complete regardless of your skill. My provionser associated skill in maxed but I can still struggle to do a grey recipe for no other reason then the RNG has rolled against you.

Well if you were in a guild in EQ2 you would be taking to raids with or without amazing gear. In fact gear didn't come into question, and it shouldn't (why not make the game a bit more challenging and fun?).

Where did I say I didn’t have a guild in EQ2?! And you won’t be doing the latest raid dungeons in EQ2 without gear from the previous. It has a set raid progression just like WoW.

Do you never get sick when you hit 80 in Wow and all you see is SPAM for raids for people with GS of such and such?

I'm not convinced that the snobbish attitude that exists in Wow exists in EQ2, it is something young or even very young kids would request(GS) or dick heads who I wouldn't want to raid with in the first place.

No but that’s because I was in a raiding guild. Play PvP in Guild Wars and you see people spamming, “Looking for class X must have Rank Y” or dropping groups in random battles because they deem you “not good enough for them”. EQ2 doesn’t have the ability to check people's achievements I guarantee if it did people would use it in the same way.

Very few players in Wow actually have any patience(like children don't), they just want to fly through dungeons, it just all seems pointless to me.

That’s simply not true. I’ve know and met tons of decent people in WoW. Bad players exist in every game. Have had people in EQ2 drop group because we wiped and wailing on other people for not doing “their job”. Just in WoW they’re more players, so you get more of idiots. And it often quicker to quit/kick and try again then sort of the idiots.
 
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the video looks pretty good. how free is it exactly though? is it like lotro with the pay for bolt-on things?
ive also been told in the past thsi games grind is huge, more so than wow, is this true?
 
Just in WoW they’re more players, so you get more of idiots.

I hear this all the time, and it's just not true either. WoW might have 12 million active players, but they're not all on one server. On any given WoW server, you're likely to have the same amount of people as on an EQ server, or a LOTRO one.

Any game has its decent people and its idiots, but the plain fact of the matter is that WoW seems to attract more than its fair share of the latter.
 
I liked elements of EQ2, things like the collections, the skill levels, the crafting system, the speed of leveling (probably been nerfed) the AA system, the housing, the open dungeons e.t.c. harked back to a 'better' (IMO) time of MMOs when they still had some depth to them, unfortunately, the game was always handicapped for me by the engine, it looked crap and performed crap and I just never got into it largely because of that, and also because by the time I got around to trying it, I was hooked on lotro. I recognise it as a brilliant game, but I just never got into it, and actually i'm really annoyed by that because I very much wanted to.
 
Nothing can beat WoW, it's lasted so long at the highest level that it's near impossible to knock it off it's pedestal without Blizzard pulling the plug.

WoW is the most popular but that doesn't necessarily mean the best.

In business terms yes but in gameplay I could argue otherwise.

The music we hear in the charts is the most popular but does that mean it's better than other music which doesn't chart?

Difference between WOW and EQ2 was that EQ2 went for quality graphics whilst wow went for cartoon graphics but ease of play. It also had a huge support base in the warcraft series which was very popular at the time and a huge game in the LAN circuit.

The fact that you needed an uber spec PC to play EQ2 compared to WOW actually caused it's demise. I think also the main swell of people who played EQ simply didn't want to move. As you can see Blizzard have revamped their classic world without upsetting players with high level characters.
 
The fact that you needed an uber spec PC to play EQ2 compared to WOW actually caused it's demise.

Its been the demise of a few games released after it as well. Fancy graphics that need a top end PC to get the best out of just doesnt work in a MMORPG. I have people in my wow guild that are playing on the same PC they owned before wow came out, one of them upgraded their graphics card to a HD4350 and couldnt believe the difference it made.

Until developers realise that nothing is going to come close to beating wow in terms of subscribers
 
the only mmo i liked more than wow was Asherons Call 2

They kept messing around with AC2 though and it made me leave.

EQ2 was quite good - I used to play with some workmates and it seemed like a more mature gamer's MMO. Crafting was interesting :)

WOW - I got bored after playing for 2 nights... Ninja looting and general selfishness put me off.

I enjoy single player games more than anything else these days. No need to put up with asshats. :)
 
I completely missed this game, I must have been so engrossed in Guildwars and Nwn ..damn.

What is the community like now, is it worth getting into?
 
I completely missed this game, I must have been so engrossed in Guildwars and Nwn ..damn.

What is the community like now, is it worth getting into?

NWN was awesome... I ran my own PW back in the day. It destroyed my social life for a year where I was constantly building, creating quests, items and mobs, as well as coding stuff... Lesson learned - never try to do that stuff on your own :(
 
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