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How the hell does this happen the investigation started in 2018 will be 6 years on the time of completion! hows does Everton get docked so fast utter disgrace.The Great Big FFP Debate
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How the hell does this happen the investigation started in 2018 will be 6 years on the time of completion! hows does Everton get docked so fast utter disgrace.
they admitted it, silly *******
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They held their hands up to the crime. Everton don't really have anything to lose. City being found guilty on the other hand wipes out their entire history of winning.
No it doesn’t.
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Once Lance Armstrong was found out to be cheating no one looks at him at all. Even if City do get to keep their trophies everyone will know it is all fake.
No more fake than Real Madrids finances or none of the history Juve lost through cheating multiple times.
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Melbourne storm rugby league team were found guilty of multiple salary cap breaches over multiple years. Had all of their titles stripped.
I know it’s on an entirely different scale but there is a precedence for it.
www.smh.com.au
I know it’s on an entirely different scale but there is a precedence for it.
Melbourne Storm stripped of premierships for salary cap breaches
THE NRL has stripped Melbourne Storm of two premierships, as well as any competition points this season, in the toughest punishment for a salary cap breach in NRL history.
Juventus have been stripped of titles for being naughty boys and also relegated, so not sure where you are getting this from. More recently they've been docked points and could have more thrown against them.
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They still won it on the pitch though, they have a great team and make the rest of the league look poor. Completely clutching at straws thinking all their titles are fake or will be deemed as fake.
Armstrong or Juve cheating is a completely different level of a cheating. Knowing the ball hits you and goes out but claiming it is cheating as well. Theres different levels of cheating. Spending a bit of money because your owner is wealthy is probably the lowest form of cheating you can get and shouldn’t even be in place!
Wealthy owners have always been part of the game since it became professional game. Right back to when Fergus Suter signed for Blackburn.
Just the goalposts have changed now where local business owners, just simply don’t have enough money - Sir Jim aside!
yea because of money.... which they probably only had from breaking FFP.... god knows how many times.
Won on the pitch, more like won at the bank
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Always been the case though realistically. Players follow the money.
yea so they bought their trophies, due to cheating the system.
assuming they get penalised, even if they don't everyone will thank that anyway.
half the teams in the league probably have the wage expenditure of 4-5 man city players
FFP is crap though... It's like F1 all over again with the big teams at the top wanting rules which stop anyone else getting to the top to maintain the status quo
if your club can afford it without risking bankruptcy they should be able to do what they want.
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Totally agree, no arguments from me!
It’s the same as these little sly moves these knobs in charge of the big clubs do with the super league. They’ve effectively got their own way with this nonsense new champions league structure.
My point is Adam is constantly on about the achievements being wiped out. Ignoring the period of time the allegations are for. It doesn't wipe out their treble anymore than if Juve win the league next year damages their win. Madrid and Barca's spending was dodgy as hell for years and no one cares how that legacy was built.
The same as it's always been. In fact it's so locked down that the only way to not end up with the Scottish league where Rangers and Celtic have won the league since about 1950 something is to break the rules. At least to win consistently and break into that top 4. In my lifetime it's always been about the top spenders, wage payers. If Chelsea and City hadn't cheated the last 15 years would have been won by United. Sure every now and then teams can have a run but the cost vs reward catches up with them or they cannot pay the wages to stop United picking them apart.
What would you rather have FFP in its current form or an actual fair system of X Million wage cap and a more equal footing. United would never go for that because they would end up in the bottom 3 the way they are run.
Rich farmers league tbh.
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FFP is just to stop PSG and now Newcastle. The old money doesn’t want the new money as it’s spoiling the party. Look at the state of Barca with them having to do all that to compete but at the end it’s all down to just being ran extremely poor.
The league is better for the investment thats in it. I don’t think a wage cap would work because there are so many other ways to pay players, could end up doing side sponsorship deals etc
Anyway, goes back to OP - Should be to protect clubs, if you want to spend the money has to be put into the club and paid out. There and then. No loans, no gambling on future ticket sales etc
If City want to spend £200m on a player, so be it. They want to spend £1bn in a window, so be it as long as that money is there and isn’t issue in the form of loans.
The league is better for the investment thats in it. I don’t think a wage cap would work because there are so many other ways to pay players, could end up doing side sponsorship deals etc
Anyway, goes back to OP - Should be to protect clubs, if you want to spend the money has to be put into the club and paid out. There and then. No loans, no gambling on future ticket sales etc
If City want to spend £200m on a player, so be it. They want to spend £1bn in a window, so be it as long as that money is there and isn’t issue in the form of loans.
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How anyone can think it would be good for the league to have pretty much no financial regulations at all is anyone’s guess.
I’m not surprised arknor, the Newcastle fan who’s only started posting in this section regularly after his team have been sportswashed, thinks it’s a good idea.
I’m not surprised arknor, the Newcastle fan who’s only started posting in this section regularly after his team have been sportswashed, thinks it’s a good idea.
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There would be, it would be to stop people gambling with futures of clubs. Having super wealthy owners who clearly have the money. If they want to spend it they should be allowed to.
Still got to spend it well, look at Utd, Chelsea and PSG in recent years. A couple of years back Barca wasted £450m on 3 players.
Out of interest, what happens when a super wealthy owner no longer can or decides he no longer wants to keep funding massive losses?
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Long term contracts have been capped at 5 years i’m sure which is the only sticking point but i’m sure there would be a way that has to have that secured liked wise with the signings being paid over a few years.
Sigh play X for £100m on 4 years for 20m p/y the £200m has to be put into an account. It sounds ridiculous but it’s the only way I can see clubs being protected from owners taking massive gambles to try and get the premier league pay day.