The Great Big FFP Debate
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Soldato
Shock horror more changes to suit the sly6 and pull up the ladder even more, if a team unexpectedly qualified for europe, instead of being able to invest to bridge the gap and compete with the extra European games they would have to cut costs right away by 15% which would leave them weaker. Complete closed shop.
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Caporegime
For every "this is bad" there is also a counter point. Do you want someone like West Ham splurging loads of money because they got EL or CL one freak season only to find that it was a one season wonder and they are stuck with a squad they can't afford?
Imagine if less rich clubs were as awfully run as someone like United. I imagine most clubs would go bankrupt quite quickly when they can't sell players and have overpaid on salary and transfer fees.
Soldato
Sorry but that is absolute BS, it closes the shop to everyone but the sly6. Use Brenford as an example, their turnover is £140m meaning they could spend upto £119m on wages and amortisation, say they have a good season next year and qualify for the europa conference, right away their max spend on wages and Amortisation drops to £89m meaning they can’t invest to try and do well in the competition or the League because of the extra games, and actually have to cut costs to meet FFP.
this would make sure no team other than the Sly6 would try to be successful and wouldn’t even try to win a cup, as it would leave them at a disadvantage for the following season, all the above does is close the shop, so all of the money and success stays with the same 6 clubs.
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Caporegime
Are you sure there isn't more to this... I doubt they would get away with just simply saying "ooh you've done well this season so you need to spend less next year you pesky upstart".
I might be wrong but I can't see that getting passed unless there was some vague wisdom to it. Perhaps you are right though its purely to keep the Newcastles of the world in their place.
Soldato
Not just Newcastle, where are villa currently Or West Ham? We will see in February what the changes are, but I will bet my arse they are more beneficial to the sly6.
there are 3 different groups in the PL, the 6 with all the money who don’t want to share or let anyone else join the party, the 5-6 who want to get where the 6 are and have the money to spend but aren’t allowed and the rest that are just happy to do the minimum in the league and stay on the PL gravy train
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Caporegime
As always, someone tell Woppy that this will only happen if the PL clubs approve it.
Soldato
Only need 14 votes to approve it, 6 from the sly6 and 8 from those that want to stay on the gravy train that don’t want to compete
Caporegime
Who are these 8 teams that have no interest in competing?
Soldato
3 that come up, Bournemouth, Fulham, Palace, Wolves, Brighton, Brentford, take your pick, could possibly include Everton if their new Yank owners get the OK, we all know the majority of Yanks are only here for the PL gravy train
Caporegime
I wouldn't say those clubs are only focussed on survival, I'd bet at least 3/4 would be keen on European Conference football if they can have a good season.
Soldato
On another note, people have mentioned on here that City’s situation is different to Everton and Forest‘s, and thats why it’s taking so long to punish City , but apparently 7 or the 115 charges are due to Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18, so if the Premier League are fast tracking Everton and Forest’s charges and punishments why haven’t they done the same to City, as P&S is cut and dry and not open to interpretation.
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I think the only explanation has to be City are part of the big 6 and nothing to do with the fact they deny it and arent using every legal avenue they can to play it out for as long as possible.On another note, people have mentioned on here that City’s situation is different to Everton and Forest‘s, and thats why it’s taking so long to punish City , but apparently 7 or the 115 charges are due to Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18, so if the Premier League are fast tracking Everton and Forest’s charges and punishments why haven’t they done the same to City, as P&S is cut and dry and not open to interpretation.
Full breakdown of Man City's 115 charges as trial expected to start on Monday
❌️ Charges Trial date set What this means for City
Soldato
ignoring the “big 6” remark, I can understand using every legal avenue to get out of the other 108 charges, but isn’t P&S pretty cut and dry? You provide your income and expenses and the PL then disregard the parts they disagree with (see Everton and massive covid loss and stadium interest payments), then inform you that your in breach and pass you on to a commission for punishment. I don’t see how that part of the FFP breach couldn’t have been dealt with considering it’s now from 6 years ago, unless City refused to provide their books, in which case why haven’t they been thrown out of the league.
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Wouldn't their turnover increase because of the european games? to compensate for the % loss?
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Soldato
Not enough to negate the loss, especially for europa conference, champions league would likely negate the loss but only just, but it wouldn't leave much room to make additions to give you a team capable of playing in europe and the PL.
Even if their turnover increased £20m to £160m due to European qualification, that would mean they would still have to find £7m savings from their wages and amortisation(£112m down from £119m).
villa for instance have received just over €7m for there participation in the conference league and would go on to receive a further €9m if they win it.
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I haven't read them at source, but aren't the changes to these rules to harmonise them with UEFA's, so teams can't pass the Premier League check but then fail the UEFA ones and be punished anyway ?
I do find the "big 6" CS funny, especially seeing as Everton were part of the original "big 5" that pushed for the Premier League and are now complaining.
I think there is a specific reason other than bias for this - I heard somewhere that UEFA were supposed to sort it out so they had to wait, now that's over they had to pick it up and sort through all the charges and fight the lawyers who are dragging their feet (if ever someone was guilty, surely this is a sign). The PL have apparently since the MC fiasco tightened up everything so the process is much quicker and should be within a short window.On another note, people have mentioned on here that City’s situation is different to Everton and Forest‘s, and thats why it’s taking so long to punish City , but apparently 7 or the 115 charges are due to Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18, so if the Premier League are fast tracking Everton and Forest’s charges and punishments why haven’t they done the same to City, as P&S is cut and dry and not open to interpretation.
Full breakdown of Man City's 115 charges as trial expected to start on Monday
❌️ Charges Trial date set What this means for City
Believe me, as an Arsenal fan there's nothing more than I would have liked than this being resolved last year and a simple 10 point deduction...but I think we're talking serious foul play here, not just simple breaches and potential expulsion from the league, just think...all those tainted trophies.
Other than Chelsea and Man City, the rest are where they are on merit...I get the hate against the super league, I thought the Champions League should always be a league that ran alongside the domestic game - cup competitions have a good degree of luck in them, just because you win the c/l doesn't make you the best team in Europe any more than winning the FA cup makes you the best team in England.