The Great British Theft Epidemic

G-MAN2004 said:
I saw a video recently of two very young teenage lads going around a busy high street cutting bike locks with a grinder and just casually riding off. Everyone just walked by as if nothing was happening.
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In general I think people don't want to risk getting involved. It's not their bike, why risk getting beaten / stabbed.
It's a sad state of affairs and I don't see things improving tbh. I'm old enough to remember the village bobby walking around when I was young. There was a certain level of respect that doesn't exist in modern society.
Even as a village we had a police station (now turned into houses), then pcso's, and now, for the last few years, nothing. People do what they like with no consequences.
 
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Andrew_McP said:
Social media, both within (relatively) wealthy nations and globally, means everyone on the planet knows what they haven't got... and where to get it... and how to get it. So the only limits on theft now will be our willingness to punish crime. And I say this as yer typical lefty Guardianista for the first 50 years of my life. I'm now old and senile and worried about the fragility of "society"... where society means a common framework of decency we agree to uphold in order to be free. It requires the vast majority to play fair, to give the authorities chances to deal with the rest.

We currently ask the Police to be social workers as well as law enforcers. This is unsustainable. Illegality will expand to fill any enforcement vacuum. Tough choices lie ahead, and they'll be resisted every step of the way, until things get bad enough that there are no choices left.

Merry Christmas! <insert Santa stealing presents and leaving by the chimney .gif here>
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Severe punishments for crime doesn't reduce crime rates at all though.

The biggest factors that influence crime levels are poverty, unemployment and underemployment, income inequality , availability of high paying jobs, education opportunities, recreation opportunities.


Higher crime rates are just a natural consequence of Tory economic policies and mismanagement.


It is important that even minor criminality is punished like theft, but this is a resource problem. Guess which political party cut police numbers
 
D.P. said:
Severe punishments for crime doesn't reduce crime rates at all though.

The biggest factors that influence crime levels are poverty, unemployment and underemployment, income inequality , availability of high paying jobs, education opportunities, recreation opportunities.


Higher crime rates are just a natural consequence of Tory economic policies and mismanagement.


It is important that even minor criminality is punished like theft, but this is a resource problem. Guess which political party cut police numbers
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You also need to have enough people to actually deal with the crime.

Even if you have the death penalty for a crime, if you don't deal with various other issues AND have a high enough chance of catching the person then it doesn't really work.
IIRC even back when we had the death penalty as a regular thing with very little of the idea of a "fair trial" that we have today it didn't actually do much to prevent crime (except maybe repeat offenders who can also be dealt with in other ways), as people were either desperate enough to risk it, or knew the chances of being caught were low (or as is often the way, the people that might have made money out of it used expendable but desperate/more stupid people to take the risks).
 
All the high-paying jobs becoming almost entirely limited to elites partaking in nepotism and high-value migrants means there's very little to aspire to so why bother behaving for a society that's abandoned them?
 
I think there is an increasing amount of poverty in this country. Things are becoming so expensive that many people cant afford even the basics and have to visit food banks and alike. I think it's easy to judge people when you don't know the full story. There is so much pressure in adverts these days and xmas is around the corner.

Personally I could not imagine shop lifting or theft. I would not cope well which such stress and worry etc. I used to work in retail many years ago but I still don't judge or would engage with a shoplifter if I saw one.
 
something daft already!! said:
I think there is an increasing amount of poverty in this country. Things are becoming so expensive that many people cant afford even the basics and have to visit food banks and alike. I think it's easy to judge people when you don't know the full story. There is so much pressure in adverts these days and xmas is around the corner.

Personally I could not imagine shop lifting or theft. I would not cope well which such stress and worry etc. I used to work in retail many years ago but I still don't judge or would engage with a shoplifter if I saw one.
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There is something really wrong when government ministers aren't saying it's a disgrace that hospitals are opening food banks for staff, but acting like it's a good thing.

As my brother points out, 15 years ago food banks were extremely rare in this country, now our town has something like 2 or 3 of them that I know of, and we're not a "poor" town.
 
It's getting to the point where compassionate people have a higher effective tax rate than selfish gits.

There's so much charity at so many levels that rely on those who are willing to donate time and money to do what the government should be doing.
 
Werewolf said:
There is something really wrong when government ministers aren't saying it's a disgrace that hospitals are opening food banks for staff, but acting like it's a good thing.

As my brother points out, 15 years ago food banks were extremely rare in this country, now our town has something like 2 or 3 of them that I know of, and we're not a "poor" town.
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I'd guess most places have foodbanks now, my village does, and from the outside it looks like quite a wealthy place.
A damning indictment of a decade plus of Con government.
 
something daft already!! said:
I think there is an increasing amount of poverty in this country. Things are becoming so expensive that many people cant afford even the basics and have to visit food banks and alike. I think it's easy to judge people when you don't know the full story. There is so much pressure in adverts these days and xmas is around the corner.

Personally I could not imagine shop lifting or theft. I would not cope well which such stress and worry etc. I used to work in retail many years ago but I still don't judge or would engage with a shoplifter if I saw one.
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If you look at most people's finances, it is generally a fairly small specific number of things pushing them into poverty, assuming they were able to take a responsible approach to their finances - generally things like mortgage/rent, cost of energy or whatever which have become way outside of commensurate with the otherwise cost of a lifestyle at a given career level.
 
At work, we see empty packs of the contents being nicked - paracetamol, hair dye, cat flea treatment and pregnancy tests. To name a few. Found a instruction leaflet for a VTech toy in the freezers the other day

Lets hope that none of the nicked pregnancy tests are positive.
 
cheesefest said:
Shop lifting is mainly for drugs. They go for several packs of steaks, bottles of JD, posh face cream.

We only put out one pack of each of the face creams, eye serum etc over £20 on the shelves at work. After some ***** cleaned the shelves of this at work and all Boots, Superdrug, Wilko (when it was in business) and supermarkets within 5 mile radius.

A shelf of posh face cream is £4k
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I remember the Annual January full stock takes at Morrisons. One year I did the face cream, powders & make-up section (the woman section lol). Probably 4 bays long (4ft bays) and at least 5-6 shelves on each. 1000s of items, I dread to think the value. I mean, a single facing of some random Foundation that cost £10 and there are 15 bottles/tubs/mini boxes of it just on that single facing.....£150 right there. There was one product, no bigger than a cigarette lighter, 4 wide and 20ish deep, iirc that was around £18 each. Crazy money, no wonder they can destroy a shelf in seconds and make serious cash from it.
 
Uther said:
I'd guess most places have foodbanks now, my village does, and from the outside it looks like quite a wealthy place.
A damning indictment of a decade plus of Con government.
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I have driven past a couple of food banks near here. Seen parents smoking away whilst queuing. If both smoke a pack of 20 a day - that's £23-25 a day. £161-175 a week on cigs. Get them off the cigs. Then have money to buy food.

Plus those who live in social/council housing never bring their own bags when shopping. Is it some stigma thing or something?
 
Droolinggimp said:
I remember the Annual January full stock takes at Morrisons. One year I did the face cream, powders & make-up section (the woman section lol). Probably 4 bays long (4ft bays) and at least 5-6 shelves on each. 1000s of items, I dread to think the value. I mean, a single facing of some random Foundation that cost £10 and there are 15 bottles/tubs/mini boxes of it just on that single facing.....£150 right there. There was one product, no bigger than a cigarette lighter, 4 wide and 20ish deep, iirc that was around £18 each. Crazy money, no wonder they can destroy a shelf in seconds and make serious cash from it.
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This is why we only have one thing of each item on the shelf due to the *****
 
Werewolf said:
There is something really wrong when government ministers aren't saying it's a disgrace that hospitals are opening food banks for staff, but acting like it's a good thing.

As my brother points out, 15 years ago food banks were extremely rare in this country, now our town has something like 2 or 3 of them that I know of, and we're not a "poor" town.
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The sheeple are easily distracted though, by slogans such as stop the boats.
 
the shadow said:
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Camera shop locks products in metal CAGE amid shoplifting epidemic

Chiswick Camera Centre has removed all of its stock from its windows over safety concerns, replacing it with pictures of the products instead.
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I have actually been in there a couple of times. Chiswick is an affluent suburb too. I know from my local FB groups that scrotes travel into nicer areas specifically to rob people/shops etc. (obvious, really)

The delivery thing is ridiculous though. My other half had a parcel delivered yesterday where it was shoved half through the letterbox. We could see on the doorbell cam that the idiot driver took a picture of it hanging out like it was proof it had been delivered :confused: I’ve a good mind to start reporting any items like that as not delivered to get a refund, but you know the shop will stomach the cost. We had a box of wine left in our doorstep for a whole day until one of our neighbours took it in for us, quite rightly they thought it’d get stolen.
 
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