*** The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug ***

watched this yesterday. Quite good (not a patch on Fellowship or Two Towers but yes as good as Return of the King)

The 3d for me actually made the film much much better. Thought it was decent enough. But the way they presented the dragon scenes seemed to have 3d in mind to me..will mention more below.

I only have a few complaints....which ill put in spoilers

1. Only one even barely memorable line in the entire movie.."we dont have jiffy" :D
2. Dwarf/Elf romance..No No No No NO!
3. Biggest letdown and best bits of movie were the Dragon scenes. Whole scene of escaping from the dragon felt like an on rails rollcoaster experience...in other words **** ! Yes good from a special effects kinda woah! point of view but it felt quite unrealistic to me and was too drawn out... How does a dragon with that size of nose not able to smell exactly where Bilbo is or where the dwarfs are for that matter.

Its disturbing but this bit of the movie reminded me of the movie 2012 and the way it was shot.....those who have seen this monstrosity will know what i mean...on rails 'disney' disaster movie.

With regards to 3

I thought exactly the same thing, they spent far too long showing the massive **** off dragon failing to achieve anything, but my wife pointed out the line about smaug becoming fat lazy and slow was pretty relevant. It wasnt just a taunt but true, since smaug hasnt done anything for yyyyyyyeeeeears
 
I specifically didn't watch it in HFR, don't like it at all. I watched it in old fashioned 2d.
I'd have avoided the HFR if it had been an option. Hated the close-up character shots in the first film (although I thought it worked well for action and landscape). However, the second film looked a lot less jarring. I had a google when I got home, and it turns out PJ toned it down for the second movie. It certainly shows.
 
Watched this over the weekend. I enjoyed it, better than the first one but still lacks that epic feel that LOTR had.

What I don't like about this series of films is the CGI orcs. It would give the film a much more grittier and immersive feel if they used actors in prosthetics like in LOTR rather than have them CGI'd.

Saying that, they did nail Smaug and Cumberbatch's voice acting was superb.

Like others have said, why oh why have a frigging elf falling in love with a dwarf!?

Also, the Dol Guldur scene. How much creative licence did Peter Jackson have for this? I've not read in between the Hobbit and LOTR and I don't remember any references to Gandalf fighting Sauron. Did this actually happen?

I was under the impression that Gandalf was not 'allowed' to openly fight Suaron, so no, that particular fight could not have happened in the books, but Peter Jackson obviously doesn't always stick to the books :).

Saying that, the White Council did drive him from hiding in Dol Guldur.
 
I enjoyed it (I've seen it twice now) but it's still not up to the Lord of the Rings standard.

There were however some stand out moments and at the same time some face palming moments.

ABsolutely ditton on this.

Lets not forget that whereas the Lord of the RIngs trilogy was a mammoth set of books dealing with a doomsday scenario... The Hobbit was a single, modestly sized book, dealing with a much more intimate story and set of characters. It simply does not suit, or warrant, 3 x 3 hours movies.

It's clear upon watching that Jackson is simply stretching out the minimal content for all it is worth, and as a result it really feels like0 scenes are being added and then drawn out simply for the sake of it.

One of the most horrible handled moments in the movie was where Gandalf...

...met Sauron in Dol Guldur. We then have a shadowy figure turn into the Eye of Sauron in some weird 80's technovision effect. Absolutely awful, especially considering it was clearly meant to be one of the most pivotal scenes in the movie

These movies are missing something that made the first trilogy great... not least of which is a suitable amount of content and, well, just a lack of epicness really. It should have been one big spectacular movie, nothing more, nothing less.

All in all a 3/5 movie, and I am a LOTR nut.
 
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One of the most horrible handled moments in the movie was where Gandalf...

...met Auron in Dol Guldur. We then have a shadowy figure turn into the Eye of Sauron in some weird 80's technovision effect. Absolutely awful, especially considering it was clearly meant to be one of the most pivotal scenes in the movie

Yes, meant to be a big plot reveal. But made me think, "Yes, you thought no one guessed or knew that?!"
 
hmmm saw this last night


the 3d / hfr is impressive, you almost get lost in the scene at times, like you are actually there

however, im starting to agree that I miss the "cinematic" ness to the film - LOTR was like a pretty oil painting where is this is like a computer game
LOTR had much more outside actual real world filming where as this seems to be more CG sets.

the hfr does help smooth out the 3d during action scenes but I still cant really focus on whats happening, like with legolas stabbing orks, his arms move to fast and too out of focus to really see whats even happening, (the laketown fight for example was just a blurry mess)

smaug was good though, and the treasure

didn't like the smaug in the foundry / liquid gold though, seemed like they just slapped in some action for the sake of it - in the book its all about Bilbo chatting / sneaking in and out


also the sudden changes of mind based on nothing at all are annoying, like Gandalf just suddenly going "o0h I best go to investigate that castle or smaug going "ooh I bet laketown are helping you" without any prompt at all
 
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Ugh, I think I had a birthday watching this thing, no way this should have been longer than 2 hours, did we really need 73 identical scenes of Smaug gloating as Bilbo inches towards the mcguffin to be denied at the last second?
 
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This film had even more unnecessarily long scenes that did very little to build story than even the first did - the return of Legolas and the character of Tauriel were complete failures in my opinion - but then Jackson manages to produce some of the most impressive cinematic scenes I've seen in a film to make it all feel worthwhile. Practically every moment spent in Erebor with Smaug was an absolute delight and I was grinning like a small child in wonderment. Smaug is probably the most impressive CG creation I've ever seen on screen, and portrayed brilliantly by Cumberbatch.

I just hope Jackson and co. realise that they are in danger of diminishing some of the grandeur of the events of the Rings trilogy with what they are doing here - Gandalf fighting Sauron? Orcs more badass than Uruk-hai? The battle of the five armies should be a real spectacle, but it should not be bigger than the battles that take place in the war of the ring, though I fear the filmmakers just won't be able to help themselves.
 
Yes, meant to be a big plot reveal. But made me think, "Yes, you thought no one guessed or knew that?!"

Haha indeed. Most people should have guessed who the necromancer is already, before the first prompt of 'he's resurrected the 9" , then the second prompt of the shadowy silhouette with the recognisable figure, then the third of it turning into the eye. And just in case you were still scratching your head, they had Gandalf yell his name - I'm surprised they didn't provide a subtitle for that particular line too!

Dol Guldur and its surrounding events is the big addition Jackson has made, but in terms of entertainment and spectacle it's completely dwarfed by the events of Bilbo and Thorin.
 
Haha indeed. Most people should have guessed who the necromancer is already, before the first prompt of 'he's resurrected the 9" , then the second prompt of the shadowy silhouette with the recognisable figure, then the third of it turning into the eye. And just in case you were still scratching your head, they had Gandalf yell his name - I'm surprised they didn't provide a subtitle for that particular line too!

Dol Guldur and its surrounding events is the big addition Jackson has made, but in terms of entertainment and spectacle it's completely dwarfed by the events of Bilbo and Thorin.
thanks for **** it up for the rest:mad:
 
the return of Legolas and the character of Tauriel were complete failures in my opinion
Tauriel seemed a bit pointless, really. I don't have a principled issue with the introduction of the character, but I didn't think she really added anything of note. Orlando Bloom could have done with having his facial fat digitally removed as well ;)
 
Well, watched it at a midnight showing on Friday night, after hearing people say it was better than the first I was quite hopeful, but ended up disliking it quite a bit.

It took me nearly a year to watch the first hobbit as with all the changes Jackson made to LOTR I can't watch them anymore. I loved the first 40 minutes at Bilbos house and was just how I pictured it, bar the change to a late grumpy Thorin. I tried my best not to get annoyed by the white orc chasing them everywhere, one thing I disliked about LOTR Fellowship was the constant chasing instead of just having a journey.

But the Desolation of Smaug just had far too many needless differences from the book.

The main part I was disappointed with being Beorn, which is one of my favourite scenes in the book. In the film you get no idea of his character and why he has all the animals there. Plus being introduced as a rampaging bear, hmmm, he just felt very cheapened. Plus they missed out the dwarves asking why not keep the ponies and not knowing Beorn had been following them.

Also, if the orcs chasing were willing to attack elves, and go into Laketown, why did they hesitate from one bear? You think they'd try and sneak past at least to try and kill them, it's not explained why they fear him so much.

I really didn't like the love story between Kili and Tauriel, and why change the story of Thorin refusing to tell the elven king what their journey is for?

The four dwarves being left behind in Laketown was irritating, probably just another filler so they could have orcs invading the town. All the politics in Laketown was annoying also, plus the way the dwarves were sneaked in, and trying to steal weapons. So much for Thorin walking up to the guard entrance and declaring openly his heritage and taken to the feast. And Thoring offering to share gold, very un dwarven like.

The timsescales of just having a day to get to the lonely mountain and find the secret door seemed rushed, in the book from what I remember it took a few days, plus introducing the watch tower with the old raven. I wonder if the ravens will be in the third film? And so much for a hidden door if it had a great big statue pointing it out!

The whole chasing around by Smaug went on for far far too long, and changing the aim to being the arkenstone only to unite the clans? I prefer the slower story of the book in Bilbo first pinching a goblet and going back to the dwarves and Smaug realising someone has been, and then the talking on the next visit. And Smaug smashing the side of the mountain sealing them in. We also missed the fact the dwarves were scared to go down with Bilbo to begin with.

As others have said there are some very ropey CGI moments, and when Balin and Thorin are arguing while Bilbo is down with the dragon, you can clearly see
Balins beard is fake, the edge of the beard on his face is obvious.

One other thing that annoys me about all the caves in middle earth according to Jackson is they have huuuuuge caverns and very narrow walkways and drops that go on for miles. Same in the Goblin caves, narrow caves would make it a lot more intimate and confined, as caves should be. The huge open rooms just seem unbelievable and impossible. And imagine the heating costs!

As with LOTR, it's like Jackson has taken the Hobbit story but inserted and changed anything he can to ramp it up 100% on action, chase, CGI overfest, action, chase. Personally I hate what he does to them, and one reason they annoy me so much is because it's an opportunity wasted, especially with LOTR.

Will I watch this one again, no. Will I watch the third, I guess I'll have to and hate Jackson just that little bit more.
 
Well, watched it at a midnight showing on Friday night, after hearing people say it was better than the first I was quite hopeful, but ended up disliking it quite a bit.

Just came back from seeing this and was pretty blown away. Visually it was probably the best film i've seen... ever. The film didnt seem that long, but I came out the cinema almost 4 hours after going in!

I can totally appreciate why you dont like it and you justify it well. I havent read the book, so had no expectations. I imagine when you know whats coming next (or not coming at all) the journey feels a little cheapened. Also some literature probably doesnt translate well onto the big screen.

Im glad the dragon talking was in the books and not something PJ made up though!

Cant you treat the films and books as 2 different things? The films wont replace the books
 
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