The Holocaust is a Myth

techmonkey · 11 Feb 2006 at 00:28

I'm not too political myself nor much of a historian. However as far as I know Israel was originally established after WW2 to give the jewish people their own homeland. I guess this was intended as a form of compensation for how much crap they had to put up with, what with having millions of their people murdered and all...

This chap's argument is that seeing as it was a European nation (Germany) that was responsible for the killing then it should be a European nation that donated land to them. I can respect that view but his rascist way of putting it across by saying that the holocaust is a myth makes his statement sound like a load of cobblers. If our own Primeminister made comments like this then he would be out of Number 10 straight away, no questions asked.

Sleepy · 11 Feb 2006 at 00:29

Nana said:
and yeah.. ffs dudes not everyone who posts in SC is a hard right wing racist bnp supporting bast.

In fact it would be ace if some more "moderate" peeps would stop criticising and start posting in there.

You're not wrong their

@Nana

When did you get so angry? I dont remember you of old being so quick to attack.

Akira · 11 Feb 2006 at 00:32

They can have my garden if they want it

panthro · 11 Feb 2006 at 00:50

Apart from the energy resources (which is a lot) can anyone think of anything good than Iran has had to offer the world? Makes me angry that political leaders can admit to holocaust denial. Something needs to be done about controlling that country quickly before things get out of hand.

Nana · 11 Feb 2006 at 00:51

Sleepy said:
You're not wrong their

@Nana

When did you get so angry? I dont remember you of old being so quick to attack.

each day that passes the weight of the world crushes my spirit.

anger is part of being human, to deny your humanity is daft.

Sleepy · 11 Feb 2006 at 00:57

panthro said:
Apart from the energy resources (which is a lot) can anyone think of anything good than Iran has had to offer the world? Makes me angry that political leaders can admit to holocaust denial. Something needs to be done about controlling that country quickly before things get out of hand.

Iran is a net importer of oil, so sanctions would effect them a whole lot worse than us.

Nana · 11 Feb 2006 at 00:59

panthro said:
Apart from the energy resources (which is a lot) can anyone think of anything good than Iran has had to offer the world? Makes me angry that political leaders can admit to holocaust denial. Something needs to be done about controlling that country quickly before things get out of hand.

don't worry good ol georgey will sort them out...

and then bacause the yanks make a total utter catastrophe of every military engagement ever, we will be sent in to clear up their mess......

Combat squirrel · 11 Feb 2006 at 01:09

these eastern extremist countries nark me off (saying holocaust was a myth ffs !), we should say to them islam and all that stuff is a myth, which actually thinking about it , it is, all religion is, religion is a complete waste of time + a myth

nuff said

Nix · 11 Feb 2006 at 01:11

There is a huge difference between political satire and mass-genocide.

Yas786 · 11 Feb 2006 at 02:13

Free speech tbh, so what if they think the holocaust is a myth :confused:

. We cant really do anything about it can we??, seeing as they dont come under any of our laws etc.
Its these sort of stories that increase tensions between people or countries.

Tbh i wasnt surprised when Iran said this a few weeks ago or was it months ago...their leader more or less said the same thing...that the holocaust is a myth.

combat squirrel said:
these eastern extremist countries nark me off (saying holocaust was a myth ffs !), we should say to them islam and all that stuff is a myth, which actually thinking about it , it is, all religion is, religion is a complete waste of time + a myth

nuff said

Ummm dont most of you guys think that anyways??, juding by the anti religious lot in here i would think so....plus i dont think they really care what non muslims think of islam...they probably know that non muslims think islam is a myth etc etc

cleanbluesky · 11 Feb 2006 at 09:22

Nana said:
and yeah.. ffs dudes not everyone who posts in SC is a hard right wing racist bnp supporting bast.

I don't think anyone fits that bill in SC. Lots of people throw such words around mid-tantrum of course, but attempting to debate with someone who doesn't share your view is a confusing experience sometimes so who can blame them

Pudney · 11 Feb 2006 at 09:59

Combat squirrel said:
these eastern extremist countries nark me off (saying holocaust was a myth ffs !), we should say to them islam and all that stuff is a myth, which actually thinking about it , it is, all religion is, religion is a complete waste of time + a myth

nuff said

Of course, ironically this is a point the Iranian President was making. He is being lambasted for his expression of the opinion that the holocaust is a myth (which in all fairness he is entitled to have, misguided or not), yet people who express similar "myth" views of religion are not. Why should he have his opinion attacked on this matter, yet you expect your opinion on religion to be acceptable?

Arcade Fire · 11 Feb 2006 at 11:20

cleanbluesky said:
I don't think anyone fits that bill in SC. Lots of people throw such words around mid-tantrum of course, but attempting to debate with someone who doesn't share your view is a confusing experience sometimes so who can blame them

Too true, too true. It's such a shame that people feel the need to label people with more right-wing leanings as nazis, racists or fascists. It's especially cruel because the more liberal members never, ever get called commies, pinkos, bleeding-heart liberals, soft touches, "trendy liberals" or extremist apologists, right?

Instead of mocking people like this, I think that we should actually give him a platform. Let him air his views to the world. Give him a prime-time television slot! Put him up against someone who really knows what they're talking about, and can present the straight facts without any bias. Stick him up against Noam Chomsky and see how long he lasts! He's completely entitled to put forward his case for why he thinks that the holocaust is a fabrication - that's all part of freedom of speech. Let him do it against someone equally skilled at rhetoric, with a full command of the facts, and see how long it takes him to get laughed into the ground. That is what we should do to people like this.

Not that it'd help convince the people of Iran, of course, because their government will just see to it that they never hear of the debate. Oh well :rolleyes:

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@if ®afiq · 11 Feb 2006 at 12:29

Arcade Fire said:
.....Stick him up against Noam Chomsky and see how long he lasts! He's completely entitled to put forward his case for why he thinks that the holocaust is a fabrication - that's all part of freedom of speech. Let him do it against someone equally skilled at rhetoric, with a full command of the facts, and see how long it takes him to get laughed into the ground. That is what we should do to people like this.

I just had to point out the fact that Chomsky has been falsley accused of holocuast denial by the ADL and their ilk!

dirtydog · 11 Feb 2006 at 13:21

Nana said:
and yeah.. ffs dudes not everyone who posts in SC is a hard right wing racist bnp supporting bast.

In fact it would be ace if some more "moderate" peeps would stop criticising and start posting in there.

That'll be the day - it's easier to snipe from the sidelines and the safety of GD. If they went into SC they might have to back up their silly comments.

Nana · 11 Feb 2006 at 13:25

cleanbluesky said:
I don't think anyone fits that bill in SC. Lots of people throw such words around mid-tantrum of course, but attempting to debate with someone who doesn't share your view is a confusing experience sometimes so who can blame them

admittedly my remark was ott.. but at the same time I feel that 90% of the time SC, and in fact GD, represents a fairly skewed view of british opinion. Or maybe I just hope it's skewed.... and in actuality I'm the weirdo and everyone in this country is xenophobic.

Nana · 11 Feb 2006 at 13:26

dirtydog said:
That'll be the day - it's easier to snipe from the sidelines and the safety of GD. If they went into SC they might have to back up their silly comments.

I am as guilty of not backing up my remarks as anyone, but mostly thats because I feel like there is no point... there is none so deaf as those who do not wish to hear.

Dolph · 11 Feb 2006 at 13:32

It's not even that bad. The majority of the posters in SC aren't rabid right wing nutters convinced Islam is the root of all evil.

There are a few people who are very vocal about certain issues, and perhaps a large percentage of speakers corner goes 'meh' when they start, mainly due to the arguments having been done to death in the past to no resolution (no matter how much evidence and debate has been gone through) and so they simply can't be bothered doing it again.

The thing with this pesky freedom of speech thing is that everyone gets it, no matter how flawed or biased their views may be. I've never been one to advocate banning or suspending people for expressing an opinion unless it's really really unpleasant.

I do stand by some of the other comments here though, if you disagree with much of the arguments in SC, get invovled in them. Those who know me know I certianly don't share the views that some people seem to attribute to all those who post in SC, but I also don't plan on censoring opinions just because I disagree with them.

-Dolph

dirtydog · 11 Feb 2006 at 13:32

I remember in the SC thread which got closed, some of SC's detractors did say they would start posting in there.. they never did though

Maybe they wisely realised they should stay out of the kitchen if they can't stand the heat.

Nitefly · 11 Feb 2006 at 13:36

Nana said:
admittedly my remark was ott..

So was my funectomy comment, so it was obvious the end of a very hard day for both of us

I didn't realise this was a SC repost, if any don wants to merge/close so be it!

I wish someone could solve the whole Isreal / Palestine problem but it doesn't seem to have an answer *sigh*. It just makes me glad to live where I live.