The impending environmental disaster

[The Running Man]

No we aren't. Especially on the environmental aspects and the nature biodiversity side, we are very near the bottom..

Biodiversity ?

We're one of the most overdeveloped nations in the world. We have little 'wild' life left in the country as even the green spaces you see are heavily farmed or managed.

I mean people dieing around the world in famine, we're about to be submerged in 15m of water, we have citizens of our country bombing us, stabbing us and raping our children and you're concerned about the level of biodiversity in the uk?

Priorities much!

And BTW to the prior poster, go anywhere in Europe and try to drink the tap water, ask why you can't even flush toilet roll in the toilets in most of them.

We are well ahead.

 

[adam cool dude]

You're assuming it's linear.

It was pure fag packet maths yes.

Most models say about a meter rise in 100 years so I wasn't far off my guess .

 

[bloodiedathame]

Biodiversity ?



I mean people dieing around the world in famine, we're about to be submerged in 15m of water, we have citizens of our country bombing us, stabbing us and raping our children and you're concerned about the level of biodiversity in the uk?

Priorities much!

And BTW to the prior poster, go anywhere in Europe and try to drink the tap water, ask why you can't even flush toilet roll in the toilets in most of them.

We are well ahead.

Developed, yes. But that's not what we're talking about. The most underdeveloped countries are arguably the most environmentally stable, they've ecosystems and biodiversity that hasn't been interfered with by mankind.

And as for priorities, the environment (including biodiversity) and its welfare are a global problem, ignoring it will do far more damage than a nutter with a knife or rapists.

 

[200sols]

Priorities much!

Yes, it's a much bigger problem. Don't try and turn this into one of your immigration debates please..

 

[explicit4u]

Biodiversity ?



I mean people dieing around the world in famine, we're about to be submerged in 15m of water, we have citizens of our country bombing us, stabbing us and raping our children and you're concerned about the level of biodiversity in the uk?

Priorities much!

Do you understand how important biodiversity is? Most of the things you've listed are minor in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Dis86]

Biodiversity ?



I mean people dieing around the world in famine, we're about to be submerged in 15m of water, we have citizens of our country bombing us, stabbing us and raping our children and you're concerned about the level of biodiversity in the uk?

Priorities much!

And BTW to the prior poster, go anywhere in Europe and try to drink the tap water, ask why you can't even flush toilet roll in the toilets in most of them.

We are well ahead.

Yes I'm massively concerned about it. Without biodiversity ecological systems collapse which affects our food chain. We can't grow crops without pollinators. We won't have seafood.

That's neglecting the fact other creatures have a right to life too.

 

[The Running Man]

Yes I'm massively concerned about it. Without biodiversity ecological systems collapse which affects our food chain. We can't grow crops without pollinators. We won't have seafood.

That's neglecting the fact other creatures have a right to life too.

Our crop yields have been pretty good the last decade or so.

I'm not concerned by that.

But the dichotomy you present us you want creatures to have the right to live buy then you talk about us not having seafood.

You can't have you're cake and eat it. Do you want wildlife to live or do you want to eat it? Ostensibly you can only have one not the other.

 

[Greebo]

Sea level has risen 3 inches in the last 20 years where we have been terrible with our emissions. Even if I accelerated that to three inches every decade it would take 130 years for sea levels to rise 1 meter.

Its accerelarting every year. Estimates are it will be 3m this century. Put 3m in that map and see which areas of the Uk are no longer land in 2100.

But that doesn't assume increasing temperatures. Every degree adds 2.3m. A two degree rise in global temps would give us 4.6m of sea level rise. Thats a lot.

But you wont car so lets not do anything about it eh?

 

[bloodiedathame]

Our crop yields have been pretty good the last decade or so.

I'm not concerned by that.

It's been engineered to be high yield, at the expense of the environment and biodiversity. Pesticides and intensive farming aren't sustainable, without pollinators or good quality soil there's no food at all. High-yield farming practices are a real problem because they also erode and degrade soil, meaning nothing will grow. Have a watch of Kiss the Ground on Netflix.

 

[Dis86]

Our crop yields have been pretty good the last decade or so.

I'm not concerned by that.

But the dichotomy you present us you want creatures to have the right to live buy then you talk about us not having seafood.

You can't have you're cake and eat it. Do you want wildlife to live or do you want to eat it? Ostensibly you can only have one not the other.

We're literally running out of fertile soil hence the need for masses of artificial fertilisers to maintain yields.
We're not the only things that eat seafood. I don't eat it at all.

 

[flea.rider]

can you show me in the last 12k yrs where it flooded? where citys where washed away ? and i'm not talking freak storms ? when the temps where higher ? where production of food was higher ? ..the thing is it wont flood .. the wind patterns will change and Africa on it's own will be green again no need do anything ..
why do you thing the Chinese are building dam's in the desert ? why do you think they have bought a load of land in northern Australia.. do they know something we don't ? ..

 

[Dis86]

can you show me in the last 12k yrs where it flooded? where citys where washed away ? and i'm not talking freak storms ? when the temps where higher ? where production of food was higher ? ..the thing is it wont flood .. the wind patterns will change and Africa on it's own will be green again no need do anything ..
why do you thing the Chinese are building dam's in the desert ? why do you think they have bought a load of land in northern Australia.. do they know something we don't ? ..

Can you show me in the last 12k years where we employed industrial farming?

 

[flea.rider]

We're literally running out of fertile soil hence the need for masses of artificial fertilisers to maintain yields.
We're not the only things that eat seafood. I don't eat it at all.

nope not running out .. it's just maintained badly commercial farming is bad put it back in the hands of small groups .. or we will end up as the states did with a dust bowl ..

 

[flea.rider]

Can you show me in the last 12k years where we employed industrial farming?

err as you can see that post is about flooding .. ? i'm well with you about industrial farming ..

 

[Dis86]

nope not running out .. it's just maintained badly commercial farming is bad put it back in the hands of small groups .. or we will end up as the states did with a dust bowl ..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/30/topsoil-farming-agriculture-food-toxic-america

 

[Dis86]

err as you can see that post is about flooding .. ? i'm well with you about commercial farming ..

Apart from you literally mentioning high food yield...

 

[bloodiedathame]

why do you thing the Chinese are building dam's in the desert ? why do you think they have bought a load of land in northern Australia.. do they know something we don't ? ..

If true then probably to try and make the surrounding areas fertile. It'll be good for poppies at least. Maybe they're trying to steal the middle-easts opiate trade.

 

[adam cool dude]

Its accerelarting every year. Estimates are it will be 3m this century. Put 3m in that map and see which areas of the Uk are no longer land in 2100.

But that doesn't assume increasing temperatures. Every degree adds 2.3m. A two degree rise in global temps would give us 4.6m of sea level rise. Thats a lot.

But you wont car so lets not do anything about it eh?

Where are you getting this information from? Most scientific models predict 1 meter worst case in 100 years. You're basically saying Holland will be under water in less than that.

 

[Greebo]

nope not running out .. it's just maintained badly commercial farming is bad put it back in the hands of small groups .. or we will end up as the states did with a dust bowl ..

And out govt is pursuing the opposite policy of paying small farmers to retire and aiming for large scale mass farming as that will be the only economic wasy of producing food..........until the soil is gone.

 

[Minusorange]

Just like climate change, the drive to do away with plastic is 100% lip-service too.

None of the supermarkets will stop using single-use plastic, etc, etc, etc. Plastic will continue to be ubiquitous and over-used and we simply will not stop harming ourselves and all other life on this planet.

Because we don't want to. It really is that simple.

e: Hell, even mentioning our over-use of and total reliance on plastic elicits roll-eyes when you bring it up. People just don't want to think about it or hear about it. Because they don't care.

It's sad really but we're all too reliant on plastic and I shamedly include myself in that, there's things I need to buy where I have no choice but to buy them wrapped in plastic, I try to avoid plastic as much as I can but even doing that I think I'm still using too much plastic, so I recycle literally everything I can but even that isn't enough really because I'm well aware most recycling in the UK is basically giving our waste to another country.

We definitely need to find more alternatives to using plastic though, a simple solution to begin with would be banning all plastic bottles and returning to glass and bring back the deposit scheme on the glass so it's not wasted