Wouldn't bet against Hazard and Mourinho working together next season. One way or another Mourinho's off before the start of next season and the one person he didn't upset at Real was Perez. He could easily end up back at Madrid and Hazard's all but confirmed he wants to join them.
The Jose Mourinho Appreciation Thread
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Why is Mourinho struggling so much this season at United?
This is only his second season isn't it?
This is only his second season isn't it?
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Every time Mourinho opens his mouth it just cements the fact that he is completely wrong for the club. Hes now complaining that United can't just cherry pick our rivals best players at will like we used to. Firstly that has happened very rarely and secondly its just another excuse for his failures. Complaining that Spurs have top players like Alli, Son, Kane and Erikson that we couldn't buy from them. Do you know how they got those players? By giving them a chance and by creating a system that works for them.
Mourinho is literally the guy that goes to the gym once a week, eats takeaway every weekend and then claims all the ripped guys at the gym are on steroids and have been lucky with their genetics. It's amazing that every other manager in the league can get their team playing well in some way. Even if its only 4-5 game a season the small clubs play really well. United just don't. He genuinely thinks he could buy the right set of players, stick them on a pitch and voila, they would be world beaters.
He has pretty much always managed teams that already have a style and a good set of players and he buys a few finishing pieces that fit into the system. Hes been given a job that requires something more and isn't humble enough to even try to remedy the issue.
Mourinho is literally the guy that goes to the gym once a week, eats takeaway every weekend and then claims all the ripped guys at the gym are on steroids and have been lucky with their genetics. It's amazing that every other manager in the league can get their team playing well in some way. Even if its only 4-5 game a season the small clubs play really well. United just don't. He genuinely thinks he could buy the right set of players, stick them on a pitch and voila, they would be world beaters.
He has pretty much always managed teams that already have a style and a good set of players and he buys a few finishing pieces that fit into the system. Hes been given a job that requires something more and isn't humble enough to even try to remedy the issue.
I wish you would stop going on about JM - there are so many more issues at the club than just him
Utd NEED a DoF before we get a new manager anyway, otherwise it will just end up as the same **** for another 2 - 3 years.
1/2 the squad isn't good enough for Man Utd and that's not all JM's fault. They should be good enough to beat the likes of CP and Southampton , but even 15 years ago SAF even said" if you don't move forward every summer you actually move backwards" and the EPL wasn't anywhere near as competitive when he said it than it is now.
JM does have his faults without doubt, but when Pogba and the like cant be ***** to turn up some match days the team will always look inconsistent.
Utd NEED a DoF before we get a new manager anyway, otherwise it will just end up as the same **** for another 2 - 3 years.
1/2 the squad isn't good enough for Man Utd and that's not all JM's fault. They should be good enough to beat the likes of CP and Southampton , but even 15 years ago SAF even said" if you don't move forward every summer you actually move backwards" and the EPL wasn't anywhere near as competitive when he said it than it is now.
JM does have his faults without doubt, but when Pogba and the like cant be ***** to turn up some match days the team will always look inconsistent.
This from Castles today: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport...ws/manchester-united-star-paul-pogba-13675979
So that's pretty much the end of either Pogba or Mourinho at the club.
It's clear as day nobody is enjoying playing for him, there are numerous problems but Mourinho is mostly accountable, the man is toxic.
Considering Mourinho's previous experience and history, this is much worse than Moyes... never thought I'd say that.
So that's pretty much the end of either Pogba or Mourinho at the club.
It's clear as day nobody is enjoying playing for him, there are numerous problems but Mourinho is mostly accountable, the man is toxic.
Considering Mourinho's previous experience and history, this is much worse than Moyes... never thought I'd say that.
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Funny thing is Mourinho could be describing himself there.
sorry but the board and the owners are the most responsible for the club right now - after all its only them that's responsible for the club being bought with debt in the first place (which is beyond me how its even legal, but there ya go)
given that the Glazers have taken out more to pay off debt and to line their own pockets than the club has spent on transfers since they arrived that says it all.
Pogba was awful against Southampton, he strolled around barely doing anything, and what he did do he misplaced passes (even easy ones) over and over again. No excuse for Mourinho to call him that, but its hardly surprising.
edit - there is a rumour floating around that something happened BEFORE the match between the two as well, but no details as yet....
I would get rid of Mourinho right now and see how the team/players respond until the end of the season with whoever takes over. I don't care if its an external or internal replacement but he needs to go now. Pogba has an ego but he also knows that he has some clout due to his fee and marketability. I think that is why he is having so many problems with Mourinho but still playing. Other players have just been binned without so much as a word so there is a reason he keeps butting heads with Pogba and I think part of it is that Pogba can push back.
Of course they are ultimately to blame, but Mourinho has done plenty of damage himself. The board are not directly influencing player performances, they have put Mourinho and his team in place, backed him (until this summer anyway) and now he's tearing everything apart and upsetting the players. Which is exactly what he's done before.
It would be a shame to lose players like Pogba, Martial and De Gea. Sure, Pogba hasn't done well in general, but if he could play with freedom and confidence, he has the ability to completely run games unlike any other player.
There is only one solution here. Mourinho has to go.
It would be a shame to lose players like Pogba, Martial and De Gea. Sure, Pogba hasn't done well in general, but if he could play with freedom and confidence, he has the ability to completely run games unlike any other player.
There is only one solution here. Mourinho has to go.
Unless the payout is £50m+ it makes 0 sense to keep him until the top 4 is gone. The prize money for the PL and the money we will get from a better CL run and the potential to be in Europe next season will be a fair whack. Not to mention that DDG, Martial, Pogba etc will probably have made their mind up to leave the club if they have to put up with another 5 months of this.
Moyes was a **** idea and never going to work out. Fergie left the team on the edge of crap and only his influence had us winning things along with RvP having a ridiculous season coupled with our rivals all being far worse teams than they are currently. Moyes was an OK manager for a mid-table side but his aspirations, tactics, man management and personality was never good enough.
LvG was a good manager years ago and tried to get us playing a particular style of football but it didn't suit our players or the league he was in. Another manager with outdated methodologies and tactics that don't fit.
Mourinho should have done better. He has had the money, the backing of the money men and the support of the fans. He is simply incapable of creating competitive teams anymore when he is talked with adapting or rebuilding. If you are 95% there and he needs to get you over the line then he will probably do it... for a season or two but as soon as his methods don't work, they fail spectacularly.
Changing managers isn't our issue. Its changing them for the wrong manager. We need to stop going for managers who have been successful in the past or managers who take the likes of Barca/RM or Bayern and just manage the team. We need a coach. A manager who will instil a sense of pride and identity to our team.
Its complete BS to suggest that managers can't build a team at United and that instant success is expected. None of our managers since Fergie have expected instant success. They have all been sacked because they have all had the team playing **** football. When you play **** football you will be sacked as soon as results are not good. Every United fan I know and have spoken to has complained most about our style of football over the last 5 years. Not that we aren't winning anything but that we are not worth watching. If we had a manager who had us outside the top 4 for 2-3 seasons but was improving the side, playing youngsters and giving the fans entertaining football he would still have a job despite the league position.
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So a week after saying top 4 by the end of the year was possible, now he says finishing top 4 would be a miracle...
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His team may not be entertaining on the pitch but the drama off it certainly is.
The thing is Pogba is playing into JM's hands the way things are going - if Pogba actually played well and ignored the tactics that are supposedly stopping the team performing then everyone would rightly be looking at JM. Because Pogba is playing regularly so poorly, he has to take some of the blame, after all its only him that's misplacing so many passes / looking so lazy on the field barely even jogging let alone actually running etc etc etc.
He could have bossed the game at Southampton single handedly if he had wanted to to spite JM, but instead he wasn't worth even being on the field...and that's 100% Pogba's fault.
Im not absolving JM of fault, he has to be accountable for plenty, but it wont do any good if the club stay the same and just appoint another manager - we will just sink further and further down and end up relying on worse players (because those will be the only ones willing to go to utd)
That's factually incorrect - two years ago Woodward refused to sign Perisic , and there are other notable refusals of similar players that JM wanted. so no the money men haven't backed him completely.
Its also highly unlikely even 1/2 the players that have been signed since JM arrived were actually his choice , rather than the club (for one its definite that Pogba wasn't JM's choice from the sheer amount of time it would have taken to get the deal done, and most likely that Sanchez wasn't JMs choice either) - and JM certainly wasn't backed last summer in the slightest.
Only three were probably JMs choice, Lukaku, Matic and Bailly - the rest are most likely board / EW's choices. Certainly didn't back him 6 months ago when Liverpool got the best part of £250m value of players added to their squad for the 1st time for a full season - even if £125m was paid for last season in Keita and VVD. and this is when Utd were already clearly behind and needed serious strengthening and the big signings were a 2nd choice full back and 3rd choice gk....admittedly 50% was paid for by Coutinho going but even so , its in a completely different league in the backing sense to whats happened to JM
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