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The Jose Mourinho Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'The Football Stadium' started by Robbo, Jul 29, 2018.

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  1. inogen

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    It's not the money spent though really is it? it's how it's spent. And the top positions are relative as there's 6 clubs who all think they should be finishing top 4.

    I agree. I'm not saying poorly performing managers shouldn't be sacked. I'm just pointing out that sacking them doesn't solve anything.

    Hmmm. The Glazers. What the Glazers want is the Manchester United brand to be strong enough to reap plenty of cash for them to take home and for the club to remain top of the money league. I see no evidence at all that they're actually that interested in doing what needs to be done to win stuff in football at the moment. I certainly see zero evidence (in fact I see evidence to the contrary) that they're interested in developing the kind of club ethos and environment you see at Dortmund. They bought the top dog of English football but then lost the main reason they were top dogs. They've been overtaken in spending power and the game has moved on slightly. They've done nothing to address any of these issues. They know in the short term at least that the cash will keep rolling in, they know in the long term it probably will too, no matter what they do.

    I'm sure in an ideal world they'd like a stable manager that wins stuff and can do it on a modest budget, but that's what every other club looks for too. Whoever comes in next will have to finish top 4 in a league with 5 other clubs who are miles ahead football wise. Pochetino would be interesting but there's no guarantees no matter how much is spent. A least that would most likely make it 4 out of 5 rather than 6.
     
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  2. adam cool dude

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    You can say that but Manchester United has won three trophies in the past 5 years which is terrible in United's case but still better than the majority. No matter how good Liverpool and Tottenham play they haven't won anything for pretty much a decade.
     
  3. inogen

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    I don't hear much from Man U fans who wouldn't swap in a heartbeat those trophies for a feeling that they could compete with the other 5 top clubs. I bet there's some worried about Arsenal.
     
  4. fez

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    Its nice to win trophies but you will always be fighting for the second tier trophies unless you get the club at the same level as the best in the world. Realistically it seems that only City are able / willing to outspend us these days so we should be aiming to win the PL and CL. You won't do that without being in the top few clubs in the league or world. Currently I wouldn't put us in the top 20.
     
  5. Robbo

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    Jardim is about to be sacked at Monaco. Could be interesting, he's highly rated.

    I do think a great attacking manager who can sign 4-5 players will be able to develop our team to compete with Man City (or close), but with Mourinho we're in limbo for now. I see no way back for him at all.
     
  6. inogen

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    And neither would anyone else. And it's not Mourinho's fault.
     
  7. fez

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    Hows it not Mourinhos fault? Hes the guy that decided the style of football we are going to play and is supposed to manage his players. Squad wise we are in the top 20 teams in the world, our issue is having managers who can't seem to get them to play well together. I can almost guarantee you Klopp would have us playing much better football than we have in the past 5 years after only a few months. This is why managers are payed similar sums to the top players.
     
  8. Yas786

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    So highly rated that he’s rumoured to getting sacked?? :/. Can’t be that great or highly rated if he is about to be sacked from Monaco :p
     
  9. Robbo

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    Because no good manager has been sacked or left under a cloud before?
     
  10. Shamikebab

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    Tough to judge really, his Monaco team has lost pretty much their first 11 over the last two seasons.
     
  11. fez

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    Wonder how Poch would do if he had to sell Kane, Son, Dembele, Dele, Erikson suddenly. There comes a point where you can't expect miracles when all your best players are poached every season. You can get away with it for a while but eventually your luck will turn. He has over-performed and developed a number of very good young players. Pretty much all the most exciting young talent over the past few years has come from there.
     
  12. Yas786

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    So Hazard wants to play for Mourinho again...surely he is trolling lol. Didn’t he have major issues with Mourinho when he was at Chelsea??
     
  13. BaZ87

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    Wouldn't bet against Hazard and Mourinho working together next season. One way or another Mourinho's off before the start of next season and the one person he didn't upset at Real was Perez. He could easily end up back at Madrid and Hazard's all but confirmed he wants to join them.
     
  14. opethdisciple

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    Why is Mourinho struggling so much this season at United?

    This is only his second season isn't it?
     
  15. fez

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    Third
     
  16. fez

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    Every time Mourinho opens his mouth it just cements the fact that he is completely wrong for the club. Hes now complaining that United can't just cherry pick our rivals best players at will like we used to. Firstly that has happened very rarely and secondly its just another excuse for his failures. Complaining that Spurs have top players like Alli, Son, Kane and Erikson that we couldn't buy from them. Do you know how they got those players? By giving them a chance and by creating a system that works for them.

    Mourinho is literally the guy that goes to the gym once a week, eats takeaway every weekend and then claims all the ripped guys at the gym are on steroids and have been lucky with their genetics. It's amazing that every other manager in the league can get their team playing well in some way. Even if its only 4-5 game a season the small clubs play really well. United just don't. He genuinely thinks he could buy the right set of players, stick them on a pitch and voila, they would be world beaters.

    He has pretty much always managed teams that already have a style and a good set of players and he buys a few finishing pieces that fit into the system. Hes been given a job that requires something more and isn't humble enough to even try to remedy the issue.
     
  17. FrankJH

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    I wish you would stop going on about JM - there are so many more issues at the club than just him

    Utd NEED a DoF before we get a new manager anyway, otherwise it will just end up as the same **** for another 2 - 3 years.

    1/2 the squad isn't good enough for Man Utd and that's not all JM's fault. They should be good enough to beat the likes of CP and Southampton , but even 15 years ago SAF even said" if you don't move forward every summer you actually move backwards" and the EPL wasn't anywhere near as competitive when he said it than it is now.

    JM does have his faults without doubt, but when Pogba and the like cant be ***** to turn up some match days the team will always look inconsistent.
     
  18. Robbo

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    This from Castles today: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport...ws/manchester-united-star-paul-pogba-13675979

    So that's pretty much the end of either Pogba or Mourinho at the club.

    It's clear as day nobody is enjoying playing for him, there are numerous problems but Mourinho is mostly accountable, the man is toxic.

    Considering Mourinho's previous experience and history, this is much worse than Moyes... never thought I'd say that.
     
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