The Jose Mourinho Appreciation Thread

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That's factually incorrect - two years ago Woodward refused to sign Perisic , and there are other notable refusals of similar players that JM wanted. so no the money men haven't backed him completely.

Its also highly unlikely even 1/2 the players that have been signed since JM arrived were actually his choice , rather than the club (for one its definite that Pogba wasn't JM's choice from the sheer amount of time it would have taken to get the deal done, and most likely that Sanchez wasn't JMs choice either) - and JM certainly wasn't backed last summer in the slightest.

Frank, stop drinking the kool-aid.

Do you think any manager is allowed to sign every player they want? You can't be that naive.

Also there is 0 evidence that players weren't his signing. He even talked about how happy he was Sanchez was joining and that he was a great player.
 
The thing is Pogba is playing into JM's hands the way things are going - if Pogba actually played well and ignored the tactics that are supposedly stopping the team performing then everyone would rightly be looking at JM. Because Pogba is playing regularly so poorly, he has to take some of the blame, after all its only him that's misplacing so many passes / looking so lazy on the field barely even jogging let alone actually running etc etc etc.

Thats just not true. We could happily limp into top 4 for the next 5 years and Mourinho would still be here, still complaining that the billion pounds he had spent wasn't enough or that it wasn't on the right people.

He could have bossed the game at Southampton single handedly if he had wanted to to spite JM, but instead he wasn't worth even being on the field...and that's 100% Pogba's fault.

Im not absolving JM of fault, he has to be accountable for plenty, but it wont do any good if the club stay the same and just appoint another manager - we will just sink further and further down and end up relying on worse players (because those will be the only ones willing to go to utd)

The manager is quite literally one of the most important things a club can change to improve their fortunes. Look at City under Pep. Before, City were good but nothing special. Now they are basically on another level to the rest of the league. He has spent a lot but he has improves pretty much every player at the club and has them playing amazing football. The right manager would have this group of players in the top 4 easily right now.

That's factually incorrect - two years ago Woodward refused to sign Perisic , and there are other notable refusals of similar players that JM wanted. so no the money men haven't backed him completely.

Its also highly unlikely even 1/2 the players that have been signed since JM arrived were actually his choice , rather than the club (for one its definite that Pogba wasn't JM's choice from the sheer amount of time it would have taken to get the deal done, and most likely that Sanchez wasn't JMs choice either) - and JM certainly wasn't backed last summer in the slightest.

You can look at it that way or you can look at is as the board not willing to give a manager free reign to spend huge amounts of money who they think has delivered poor value for money. We came second last year. We haven't lost any players. The thing that has changed. Mourinho. He has laid into player after player. Publicly talked down his squad and individual players and taken precisely 0 personal responsibility. I would wager that there are almost no managers in the top tier of football that give their boss a list of players in the summer and get everything they want. It doesn't happen. Teams don't want to sell, players don't want to join, other teams get the player you want and you don't want to pay what they are asking.

If we were sitting here in 3rd place and he was bemoaning the fact that we haven't got the players to compete with City I would agree but we aren't. We are sitting mid-table with a bunch of players who are top 4 quality with a manager who is more concerned about making sure his own ego doesn't have to accept any part of the blame.

Only three were probably JMs choice, Lukaku, Matic and Bailly - the rest are most likely board / EW's choices. Certainly didn't back him 6 months ago when Liverpool got the best part of £250m value of players added to their squad for the 1st time for a full season - even if £125m was paid for last season in Keita and VVD. and this is when Utd were already clearly behind and needed serious strengthening and the big signings were a 2nd choice full back and 3rd choice gk....admittedly 50% was paid for by Coutinho going but even so , its in a completely different league in the backing sense to whats happened to JM

The only way I could agree with you is if the squad we had was a mid-table squad. It isn't. If your manager isn't getting the base line performance out of his players then he needs to go. Thats a managers job. He doesn't kick a ball he manages the players and tactics. When your manager is making team selections to prove a point he is being a ****.
 
It's hard to prove that JM hasn't wanted his signings. I think that it's true that at certain clubs the chairman and board decide who they are going to buy and the manager basically has to fit them into the squad, regardless of whether he wanted them or not. I have read that that has happened at both Chelsea and Real Madrid in the past, but I've never seen anything to indicate that's the case at United. I think if Jose has said that then most likely he's making excuses for why the players aren't playing well. Most of this season he's given the impression of someone covering his own backside, blaming everyone but himself for the failings at United. Sure, there is some blame that needs to be laid at the doorstep of Woodward and the board, but a huge chunk of it needs to be assigned to Mourinho himself.

Mourinho seems like a complete dinosaur now, totally out of touch with football. Managers such as Klopp, Pep, Poch, Eddie Howe, etc have shown that there is a particular style of football and man management that breeds success. They all treat their squad like family and seem to genuinely care about each individual. They take the blame if things aren't going well and shield their players from any criticism, and in particular they avoid criticising their players in public. Ferguson used to be brilliant at doing that as well. Mourinho, on the other hand, seems to constantly publicly criticise his players. I'm not sure whether he thinks this will motivate them or whether he is simply trying to protect his reputation and legacy as a manager. I genuinely think he thinks he can do no wrong.

The other issue JM has is that he plays such boring, negative football that as soon as the results go bad, people turn against him. With the managers I mentioned above you'd be confident that any blip in form would be rectifiable. They all play good football and I think they'd all be confident that sticking to their footballing principles would see them through any bad runs of form. As fez has said, it's not the poor results that United fans are tired of, it's that coupled with watching boring football. We haven't seen consistently exciting football from United since Ferguson retired, which is five years ago now. I think Mourinho being sacked at some point is the only realistic outcome at this stage, I simply can't see him turning it around.
 
No club buys players the manager doesn't want unless they are a signing they think is hugely valuable for reasons other than football. The only player I can see that being the case for is perhaps Sanchez even though I firmly believe Mourinho wanted him and would be complaining to high heaven if he went to City. He may have wanted more marquee signings but the ones he has got are his choices are are capable of far better.
 
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Could you explain why you view finishing second last year as one of your greatest achievements?

“Because I’m not speaking about our own situation but you can finish 10th, I’m not saying us, I’m saying a team can finish 10th and a manager feels like a champion. Correct?

“If you speak with David Wagner, Rafa Benitez, Claudio [Ranieri] now, if you speak with them and tell them you are going to finish 10th they will feel like a champion, I made a fantastic job, I stayed in front of many teams with more potential than my team, last season I finished second and I felt we stayed ahead of teams with more potential than us. It’s as simple as that.”

Count how many times he says I.
 
Why is fred so bad?

Why is matic so old and useless?

Why is lukaku awesome against Tranmere rovers but useless against good teams?

Why is pogba pogba?

Ask mourinho only 240 million spent on them. I don't believe that he a, didn't want them, b, didn't get backed.

Problem was that backing him cost a lot and hasn't really taken us forward.

Then look at who he wanted to buy? More of the same, old man perisic, old and out of form boateng, 60m Maguire.

Stupid or short sighted signings that the board has had to refuse.
 
His greatest talent is making anyone believe the **** he spouts. Anything he does is amazing and you should be in awe of but then its not going so well and all he can talk about is how he overachieved before and how every other team has it better than he does.

I would love to see how he managed with Tottenham over the past 5 years. How would he do with Arsenal or Liverpool. He can't even buy results these days and its just left him a miserable old man who can't accept that hes been left behind by modern football manager.
 
Why is fred so bad?

Fred isn't bad. He has been played the square route of **** all and he played well in the last game he was actually given a chance in. The whole team is **** and underperforming and Mourinho doesn't have a clue how to change things or get the team playing with any style or identity.

Why is matic so old and useless?

Some are suggesting he is just tired and needs a rest but I think hes just a spent force and can't be arsed like most of the team.

Why is lukaku awesome against Tranmere rovers but useless against good teams?

Because he isn't a top striker. Hes also looks like hes put on about 3 stone since he joined us. He has all the mobility of a tractor currently.

Why is pogba pogba?

Because he is a bit of an arrogant ***** and one of few players who knows he has some power to stand up to Mourinho. Another player that would rather be playing for anyone else right now.

Ask mourinho only 240 million spent on them. I don't believe that he a, didn't want them, b, didn't get backed.

Of course he wanted them. The only players we have signed that are good for our marketing purposes are Pogba and Sanchez and I would be 95% sure he wanted both. I can imagine the whinging from Mourinho if Sanchez ended up at City.

Stupid or short sighted signings that the board has had to refuse.

Hes like an investment banker who has lost his company a few billion and then comes asking for more money because he hasn't delivered the returns they wanted. Of course not they aren't going to back him.

If I was a bettering man, Woodward has looked at the squad we have, the money spent and quite rightly said to Mourinho, "you have a team that should easily be top 4 with the players you have, get that and we can look at strengthening"

I think he has lost the trust of the board and the fans and now hes just treading water until he is sacked.
 
Another **** performance last night and another bout of Mourinhos "my players aren't good enough, I don't know why, it couldn't be anything I am doing" speech.

The sooner this guy ***** off the better. What amazes me is that some fans genuinely believe that the players are the issue and Mourinho is doing what he can.

This is a team he has bought and built. These are the players he wanted. He hasn't coached them at all from what we have seen on the pitch and relies entirely on sticking the 11 best performing players out there to play. No game plan, no tactics and no apparent idea. He then does the same last night with the "B" team and wonders why its like watching a **** version of his A team.

I genuinely hope Liverpool spank us unto next week on Sunday and that Mourinho is fired on the Monday. Can anyone imagine working for a boss that chewed you out to the public every time something didn't go as they wanted at work while all the worker hate coming to work and think the boss is the main issue. Paying someone hundreds of thousands a week doesn't make them any different to anyone else. If you hate coming to work and your boss is making your life 10x harder than it needs to be and then blaming you then you won't work very effectively.
 
Apparently he’s making the players train at 4pm on Christmas Day, then they’ll have to spend the night at the hotel in their rooms.

Admittedly, it’s in the sun, but if true, way to get your players on side Jose!
 
He's making them train the day before a match and stay in a hotel the night before the match?!?! I think you'll find practically every other club is doing the exact same thing.
 
This is a team he has bought and built. These are the players he wanted. He hasn't coached them at all from what we have seen on the pitch and relies entirely on sticking the 11 best performing players out there to play. No game plan, no tactics and no apparent idea. He then does the same last night with the "B" team and wonders why its like watching a **** version of his A team.
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that is SO far from the truth - majority of back four has been here since Fergie was around (and they weren't good then) and that's even before you talk about who the club bought over JM's head / not his choice - which is in all likelihood majority of whats been spent since he arrived.

JM is (and should be) a dead man walking, but the board have backed themselves as a business rather than the manager who knows football far too many times for it not to show through. 1/2 the squad isn't good enough to play for Utd even as squad players let alone as 1st team regular starters.
 
Worth having a quick look at Mourinho's main signings:
  • Pogba £90m - unique and very talented midfielder, Mourinho has alienated him and he doesn't even play now
  • Lukaku £75m - undeniably a good striker, mismanaged, low on confidence playing in a team with no tactics
  • Fred £50m - doesn't even play...
  • Matic £35m - totally over the hill, but playing with no confidence, seen as undroppable despite being awful
  • Mkhitaryan £28m - did nothing of note, was quickly moved on
  • Bailly £30m - good start but has injury problems and ultimately was dropped
  • Lindelof £30m - initial problems but has improved a bit lately, still suspect
  • Sanchez £record breaking PL wage - horrendous form, barely plays
  • Zlatan - actually good, shame about injuries
  • Dalot - promising young RB
So all in all - he's not exactly spent peanuts, and he doesn't seem to be able to pick good players. Any he does get, he ruins them.

Absolute disaster from top to bottom, he needs hounding out. I really don't care at this point.
 
Worth having a quick look at Mourinho's main signing

So all in all - he's not exactly spent peanuts, and he doesn't seem to be able to pick good players. Any he does get, he ruins them.

Absolute disaster from top to bottom, he needs hounding out. I really don't care at this point.

But Robbo, he clearly didn't want all of those players. The board went over his head and bought the likes of Lukaku, Fred, Matic, Bailly, Lindelof and Dalot, because they were all such big names.

How anyone can say that Mourinho didn't want these players is beyond me. He might have wanted different players in some cases but these will all have been players he wanted. We have a good enough first XI to be top 4 easily and we have a good bunch of squad players as well. Liverpool are overachieving with the squad they have IMO while we are drastically underachieving. Tottenham are overachieving as well. Thats what good managers do. They make your players into a cohesive unit that is greater than the sum of its parts. Hes been here 3 seasons, spent a fortune and imploded like always.
 
  • United have picked up 26 points after their first 17 Premier League games, their worst points haul in the top flight at this stage since 1990-91 (26 points).
  • They have conceded 29 goals in the league this season - one more than they did in the whole of the 2017-18 campaign (28).
  • They are 19 points off leaders Liverpool, 11 points off the top four and closer to the relegation zone than the top of the table.
  • They have one win in six league games and a goal difference of zero.
  • Liverpool's 19-point advantage over United is their biggest after the first 17 games of a top-flight season.
  • Liverpool had 36 shots on Sunday - the most United have faced in a Premier League match since Opta started recording shot data in 2003-04.

He always had his defensive prowess to fall back on, we're just record breakers now (just the wrong kind of the records).
 
He always had his defensive prowess to fall back on, we're just record breakers now (just the wrong kind of the records).

What is more ridiculous is that we haven't looked defensively stable for any of his time here. We have been saved by generally poor finishing from opposition and having a world class keeper.

When I think of his older Chelsea teams they were defensively strong but part of that was that their general football meant they could punish you if you didn't play well or overcommitted going forwards. We don't have that and teams know that they can get at us so easily and not really worry whilst doing it.

We have always been very close to the line of being **** but have just had enough quality to scrape past most teams. Now that we don't have that, teams are coming to us with confidence that they can beat us and they can. All those games we won after playing **** or getting a late winner to beat some minnow 2-1 are now draws or losses.

Results are ****, fans are very unhappy, the football is crap, the players aren't happy. How he is still in a job is beyond me.
 
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