The labour Leader thread...

AlecR said:
The Left forget what happened between 1997 and 2010...
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We had a revolution? I must have been asleep.

Besides, the UK had a right wing/centrist government* in power between 1997-2010 - there was nothing left wing about it - so I think you'll find the left remember perfectly what happened, which is why we can't let the same thing happen again in the Labour party.


*New Labour is a right of center movement, with some social policies, that is a continuation of the Thatcherite experiment (as stated by Thathcer herself).
 
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AlecR said:
Tony Blair was elected three times.

Corbyn is unelectable.
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amigafan2003 said:
Says you.

Time will tell.
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By you're own admission.

amigafan2003 said:
Besides, the UK had a right wing/centrist government* in power between 1997-2010 - there was nothing left wing about it

*New Labour is a right of center movement, with some social policies, that is a continuation of the Thatcherite experiment (as stated by Thathcer herself).
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Labour can only get into power by copying the Tories, therefore Corbyn is unelectable.
 
It will be interesting to see what the electorate think after 5 years of unfettered Tory austerity. All those poor deluded Sun readers who thought the benefit cuts would just effect jobless layabouts who will find their in work benefits raped are not going to feel so happy about things in a couple of years I suspect...
 
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amigafan2003 said:
We had a revolution? I must have been asleep.

Besides, the UK had a right wing/centrist government* in power between 1997-2010 - there was nothing left wing about it - so I think you'll find the left remember perfectly what happened, which is why we can't let the same thing happen again in the Labour party.


*New Labour is a right of center movement, with some social policies, that is a continuation of the Thatcherite experiment (as stated by Thathcer herself).
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Correct. During that time Labour was so far right that some conservative MP's were more left than them!
 
amigafan2003 said:
Besides, the UK had a right wing/centrist government* in power between 1997-2010 - there was nothing left wing about it - so I think you'll find the left remember perfectly what happened, which is why we can't let the same thing happen again in the Labour party.
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While I'm a big critic of the New Labour government even I think you're being slightly unfair. New Labour did have a range of centre left policies - Sure Start, Tax Credits, Building Schools for the Future, The Minimum Wage, etc. - the problem was that it thought that it could run a starkly Thatcherite economy and then solve the problems by dealing with them after the fact rather than doing anything much to make the underlying economy more just.
 
AlecR said:
It makes everybody richer so although the poor are still poor, relatively they are more well off.
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Yea right it does, you people are so deluded it's unbelievable.

Trickle down economics eh? LOL. When the hell has this worked, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.

It's about time a bottom up economic plan is put in place, not this top down BS everyone clings on to.
 
Dimi said:
Yea right it does, you people are so deluded it's unbelievable.

Trickle down economics eh? LOL. When the hell has this worked, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.

It's about time a bottom up economic plan is put in place, not this top down BS everyone clings on to.
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So you're saying aspiration doesn't work?

I think the majority of people would disagree with you there...
 
Moses said:
It's not about being able to compete when mass producing relatively simple, small things (eg. iPhones, where the assembly process isn't hard). It's about being able to compete when it comes to v high tech stuff, things where there's no margin of error, products which are less easy to transport (eg. cars), things where it's viable because of tax savings, things which are seen as high quality because they're ~British made~ and can be exported to people like China's middle classes, etc.
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If you think making iPhones is simple, you need to visit a modern CEM facility sometime.
 
AlecR said:
So you're saying aspiration doesn't work?

I think the majority of people would disagree with you there...
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Aspiration does work but are you saying that in order to achieve this you should make the majority of poor people poorer and the rich richer so it will encourage the poor to better themselves and strive to become rich more?

My aspiration has always to earn more than my age each year which i have achieved luckily and I am a long way from been on the average income etc.

However, i grew up in a poor household. There was already back then a massive gap between poor and rich. It doesnt need to be made wider to encourage people.
 
Correct. During that time Labour was so far right that some conservative MP's were more left than them!
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If 50% of GDP is government its fair to say the whole spectrum has been shifted to the left compared to many previous governments. I call the current period a mix or centre

Government is still running a deficit, increasing debt I think and its considered harsh to slow down that accumulation but we've probably forgotten what a right wing would do and how harsh a change that'd be now. To cut debt they'd really be slashing radically lots of the free stuff, we are largely influenced by USA economic policies which also is big government whichever red or blue is in
 
Basher said:
Serious question, do you think Corbyn will become PM?
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The only way Corbin has a chance at becoming PM, is in the hilariously unlikely scenario that the Torys replace Cameron (who will not be standing in 2020) with IDS (who was so bad as leader last time that they sacked him mid term and basically sat out the 2005 election), he is the only one Corbin could beat and it would be a thrashing.
 
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