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Welbeck tripped over him? That's an interesting take but maybe it was caused by Maguire stepping across Welbecks path and putting his arm over his shoulder to pull him back.

And I'm sure Utd have been denied a penalty that wasn't given, like every team which was the point I was making.
 
Welbeck tripped over him? That's an interesting take but maybe it was caused by Maguire stepping across Welbecks path and putting his arm over his shoulder to pull him back.

And I'm sure Utd have been denied a penalty that wasn't given, like every team which was the point I was making.

The problem is if we continue the trend we will end up as a non contact sport. It is quite funny because everyone has always thought defenders became defenders because they just wasn't good enough going forward whereas in the modern game they have to be of strong brain and be able to read the game more than an attacking player ever does. No longer can you just be a hard man.

Their game has undoubtedly become a lot tougher hence why finding a decent CB is tough.
 
Whilst I don't think he's the only problem facing the club, if Ole hasn't won anything by the end of next seaon and if performances are not improving, should he go? The issue is that the derps running the club seemingly have no plan other than to bring in club legends and their mates so there is probably no strategy for his replacement.

Look at the impact Tuchel has had at Chelsea.

I guess the issue is that we're not going to win much or be consistent with Lindlesoft and Maggie as CBs.
 
If we don’t start competing for the League and CL Fernandes will be off in a season or two. DDG and Pogba are probably off in the summer. We’re not an ambitious club anymore so I image the high ups will be happy enough if Ole gets CL every season and will get rid of him when things get bad enough.
 
We actually saw today where some of the problems with United originate from.
There are a few things that I think need addressing and this might be controversial.

Fernandes is a problem in the formation that we play. I don't see many top sides playing 4-2-1-3. Don't get me wrong Fernandes has been great and as player I love him but I think allowing him to play CAM with 3 other forwards leaves the team unbalanced in midfield. Fred and McTominay aren't good enough passers to unpick defences but they do give solidity to a team that has 4 forwards. People asking Pogba to be played in place of Fred of McSauce are missing the point that he does his best work in the final third and isn't reliable as a CDM. We see the best of him when he plays on the left and because he can then interchange positions with Bruno we look more dangerous.
Ole has been obsessed with trying to get 3 would be centre forwards on the pitch.It leaves us short of players able to break from midfield and only benefits the counter attack. Against 80% of teams who sit back it finds us out. I'm not sure that a Declan Rice makes much difference unless you have a better balanced formation. He's no Roy Keane.
OGS needs to think hard about the attacking players and the blend that is required to keep the resilience in the side but improve the cohesion in an attacking sense. I don't think we have the players for 4-2-1-3 at present.
 
It's probably very difficult for MU to plan their purchases when we don't know if Cavani and Pogba will stay or if buyers can be found for the likes of Jones and Lingard. It is also possible DDG and Martial are sold too, to complicate matters.
 
It's probably very difficult for MU to plan their purchases when we don't know if Cavani and Pogba will stay or if buyers can be found for the likes of Jones and Lingard. It is also possible DDG and Martial are sold too, to complicate matters.

They absolutely know this information. If Pogba is going the deal is more then likely done or close to. These are multi million pound deals...as much as sky sports like to ramp up the transfer window the big ones are done well in advance.
 
Pogba HAS to go

No way at all he will sign a new deal so we are letting £50m+ player go for free next summer (and not sure the club really want to deal with Raiola either) if he doesnt get sold / swapped in June.

Even without that consideration, IF we got the player we had today then it would be a very very difficult decision to make as he was absolutely world class - but in the last 4 or five years how often have we actually got those performances - certainly a large % less than then times he has taken to the field (and dont forget how often he has been unavailable in the last two seasons either).

a lot of things have to work out - but Varane for Pogba direct swap ? Might help both clubs with significant contractual issues and if reports are true Varane wants to experience the EPL.... might work for all parties (admittedly there maybe a transfer value difference, but there might be a wage difference in the other direction to balance it out).

Even if Varane isnt an option there are a few others that might resolve other issues for Utd (Bailly + ~£25m for Pau Torres? again another player with injury issues who is a decent player on his day but cant be completely relied upon).

I just dont see any Juve options for player swaps (I really hope Rabiot rumour is just that and nothing factual) even if CR leaves so Juve can afford Pogba's wages, and Im not sure they can afford a decent cash amount.

The other possible option for Pogba is PSG of course but that rumour died down very quickly seemingly , hasnt been mentioned for some time as far as Ive seen.

Rice would be a perfect solution but way over priced for his experience etc - even if Lingard is part of the deal it will still be far too expensive imo - but maybe Neves is a reasonable option would certainly improve Man Utd squad with or without Pogba (if the rumoured club restructure at Wolves is correct)

Personally I would get a proper right winger that can start 30-40 games a season so that we can vary our attacks a lot more and hence spread defenders all across the pitch. 1st class winger and a cheaper striker is a better way forward than vice versa. Whether Cavani stays or goes (and I think he will go) we need a striker anyway.

To my mind the below can leave without it affecting the squad that much (or contractual issues forcing the situation);
Pogba, De Gea, Jones, Bailly, Dalot, Perreira, Lingard and Mata - even with Covid prices and a pay off for De Gea, that lot should raise nearly £100m (not incl Pogba who is more than likely going to have to be a player swap to get any kind of value). There is also the Martial question - he isnt a CF by any means, but he doesnt want to play on the wing - but that doesnt have to be resolved this summer either, and he could get his form back with a rest over the summer.

Admittedly that is a lot of deals to do, but majority of them are pretty cheap so shouldnt be that difficult to get rid of (although whether the club will want to lose money on some of them is another matter entirely).

Since Ole came in there has been significant progress every season , yes of course winning the EL this season (or something next season) would be fantastic, but I dont think its the be all and end all just yet.

Remember he had to get rid of a lot of dead wood which took a significant amount of time, and the above list of players is mostly dead wood now as well. Its un-precedented times - and dont forget, just think where we would be with Martial and or Greenwood performing even 1/2 as good as last season , pretty hard to predict both would have such a torrid time infront of goal.

Ole is also getting better at making subs (8 goals by subs last season vs 15 so far this season according to Sky today) - Utd have made significant progress year on year but there are still blatant squad /1st team holes as well. Ole deserves to be able to create his own team fully and more importantly has earnt the time to do it.

Huge pity about the Dof debacle (should have been an external appointment imo and hten the club would still have Butt who has been brilliant for the Academy etc in the last 9 years) but nothing Ole could have done about that.
 
Yesterday was a prime example of why Pogba is so important to us but he still needs to go and be replaced by someone of similar quality. Even if he signed a new contract he is far too unreliable in so many ways. I can't think of too many top clubs that have their star player always flirting with leaving over 2-3 years. I can understand if he wants to leave. We won't win the PL or CL for a number of years and if he went elsewhere he could probably guarantee some silverware. What I don't like is the constant issue we have with him.

I would happily replace him with Grealish.

If we could do that, get a top CB and DM and if we find 60m or so under the sofa, Sancho on the RW we should be well primed for next season.
 
We need a quality CB (or 2!) so we don’t have to keep sticking a number of DMs in to protect Slabhead and Lindehop all the time. I understand the occasional game, but every game, it’s a little ridiculous.

Grealish would be obscene money and I don’t think Pogba will leave now, I just can’t see it happening.
 
The situation with Pogba will be the same as the previous couple of years - he wants to leave and Utd wouldn't have a problem letting him go but they can't let him go on the cheap and there's a big question as to whether anybody will pay something meaningful for him.

This summers window is so hard to predict with so many possibilities. It seems to be forgotten about with all the talk around Haaland at the moment but there's a decent chance that Messi's leaving Barca and if he does then they're going to have to do something big in the transfer market (no idea how as they've got no money) or their supporters will riot. Depending where Messi ends up, even City & PSG, will limit what other deals they can do and then there's the possible Haaland & Mbappe transfers and the knock on effects of all those. That said, it equally wouldn't surprise me if not a lot happens - Messi could easily end up signing another 1 year deal at Barca & it makes sense for Haaland to stay 1 more year at Dortmund.
 
I think Messi has left it too late in his career to move clubs. He will sign another deal with Barca and eventually retire there. I think he would be too scared to go elsewhere and who would pay the money he would want?

I think Ronaldo was a really silly buy from Juventus as well.

As you say Baz, who knows what will happen in the summer. Clubs should be massively tightening their belts so I wouldn't be surprised to see very little activity. Why would you sell a player for 60% of the money you could get next year or could have got last year when you could just wait for the financial effects of COVID to lessen.
 
The price escalation in football has to stop. It's totally obscene and out of step with a post COVID world. I know there will be an agenda against the Glazers starving the club of investment but I think Clubs like United need to take a stand and distance themselves from these astronomical transfer fees. Talk of Haaland and Kane at £150m frankly disgusts me especially as football agents stand to extort significant proportions of the considerations. I'd far rather United focused on where there is value and better invested in the development of younger talent.
The likelihood is that Pogba will see out his contract, no-one that wants him can afford him. Levy never loses in the transfer market so I'd walk away from any notion of an in contract Kane. I wouldn't touch a Raiola client ever again.
Ole needs to continue the clear out - Perreira, Mata, Jones, Dalot. Move on the the likes of Martial and bring though the likes of Amad, Garner and Hughden for some first team experience. I'd be happy that we developed some decent principles at the expense of short term results. There needs to be more integrity in football and it's up the clubs like United to set the example
 
The price escalation in football has to stop.

Why? Its like any business. Why is £50m OK but £150m not? What do you think would happen if transfer fees and player wages suddenly dropped 80%? Would fans get cheaper tickets? Would they charge less for a shirt? Maybe, but only by a few quid.

The only real rules that are (and should be) in place are those that stop clubs overextending themselves financially.


It's totally obscene and out of step with a post COVID world.

I would say its quite in step with the world. COVID has done a fantastic job of making the rich richer and the poor poorer. All around a good day at the office for the elite. Anyone who thinks that the world is going to get anything but more unequal in the coming years is delusional.
 
The only real rules that are (and should be) in place are those that stop clubs overextending themselves financially.
500m in debt thanks to a take over that shouldnt have been allowed to happen in the 1st place isnt being "over extended" after the best part of 20 years?
hmmm
 
500m in debt thanks to a take over that shouldnt have been allowed to happen in the 1st place isnt being "over extended" after the best part of 20 years?
hmmm

If you are talking about the United takeover then I 100% agree. Its ridiculous that they were allowed to borrow the money and basically lump the debt onto the club. Without the Glazers we would undoubtably still be one of the dominant clubs in world football. They are a cancer in the club and always have been.
 
So with Ed Woodward stepping down, do we honestly think that anything at the club will change. Personally I don't think it will make an iota of difference unless he is replaced with someone of equal quality in the financial department who also wants to take a step away from football matters and put a structure in place to manage that.

Woodward was unquestionably good at the monetary side of things but wanted to be far too involved in other parts of the business where he was ill suited.

Time will tell but ultimately the cancer at the club is the Glazers, not their lackeys.
 
I assume there's already a successor in place, seems he was due to step down at the end of the year anyway so this has just brought it forward.
 
I assume there's already a successor in place, seems he was due to step down at the end of the year anyway so this has just brought it forward.

I would love to see the job pitch for his position.

"Good with money? love making commercial partnerships? play football manager in your spare time?"
 
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