The most relevant metal bands

Arcade Fire · 7 Apr 2006 at 13:09

dmpoole said:
Penski (bless him) named bands that most people have never heard of.

Whether people have heard of them or not, you can't deny that Napalm Death, Carcass, Pitchshifter and earthtone9 had a big influence on the style of music that was played in less mainstream metal circles. ND and Carcass practically started grind, and Pitchshifter and earthtone9 were the first bands to really incorporate an industrial/drum 'n bass sound into metal. Both sounds became big much later.

VaderDSL · 7 Apr 2006 at 13:28

Killing Joke

Only reason is I get to see them again tonight

THMRK · 7 Apr 2006 at 13:37

Mohinder said:
I wouldn't say Slipknot were nu-metal. Nu-metal is Korn and Deftones and all that other whatnots. Imo.

I've heard it argued by many people that Deftones aren't nu-metal. But I disagree. Both bands have the charcteristic traits of nu-metal.

Davey_Pitch · 7 Apr 2006 at 13:38

dmpoole said:
The same can be said for Iron Maiden and again it was Powerslave when future musicians 'got it'.

I'd agree that Maiden didn't get the instant recognition, but I disagree on the album which did it. I feel The Number of the Beast album (2 years before Powerslave) was the one that really propelled them.

penski · 7 Apr 2006 at 14:48

Woody__ said:
Whatever they claimed, they were wrong. They're never been anything but nu-metal.

Ah. That's where you're wrong.

Go listen to Linea77, Shorty, Tung, Cicatrix, Coal Chamber, Limp Bizkit ($3 bill, y'all and Significant other, please. N 2 Gether Now pwns.), Early Korn and Vacant Stare.

Right...

...now listen to Slipknot (anything other than MFKR).

...Not the same genre.

I've heard it argued by many people that Deftones aren't nu-metal. But I disagree. Both bands have the charcteristic traits of nu-metal.

And just what are those traits?

*n

Carzy · 7 Apr 2006 at 14:52

penski said:
Ah. That's where you're wrong.

Go listen to Linea77, Shorty, Tung, Cicatrix, Coal Chamber, Limp Bizkit ($3 bill, y'all and Significant other, please. N 2 Gether Now pwns.), Early Korn and Vacant Stare.

Right...

...now listen to Slipknot (anything other than MFKR).

...Not the same genre.

And just what are those traits?

*n

$3 bill y'all is definitely underrated. Good album imo. And Slipknot aren't nu-metal, it's just that people who listen to nu-metal tend to listen to Slipknot too, and it's easy for people to pigeonhole them into nu-metal as they become easier to hate that way. Nu-metal automatically equals bad apparently...

simisker · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:01

Arcade Fire said:
[...] and Pitchshifter and earthtone9 were the first bands to really incorporate an industrial/drum 'n bass sound into metal. Both sounds became big much later.

Pitchshifter weren't the first to incorporate industrial into metal. Not by years.

SexyGreyFox · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:07

Davey_Pitch said:
I'd agree that Maiden didn't get the instant recognition, but I disagree on the album which did it. I feel The Number of the Beast album (2 years before Powerslave) was the one that really propelled them.

Goes to Google it up -
:eek:

Yes you are correct, definitely Number of the Beast and Run To The Hills.
Whatever made me think Powerslave came before that?
(old age).

penski · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:10

simisker said:
Pitchshifter weren't the first to incorporate industrial into metal. Not by years.

Pitch Shifter

I will always maintain that Pitch Shifter and Pitchshifter were different bands.

Pitch Shifter were the one of the first bands (if not THE first) to take industrial/metal out of 4/4 timing and mix it up with other genres. Check out Infotainment?, Exploitainment? and www.pitchshifter.com.

Go back further and you have nuances that just didn't exist elsewhere - what industrial band had riffs and leads like Mark Clayden and Jonny Carter provided?

As for earthtone9 - not industrial in the slightest but they raped art-metal, stuck two fingers up at Tool and made some damn beautiful music.

*n

Spud21 · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:11

penski said:
Ah. That's where you're wrong.

Go listen to Linea77, Shorty, Tung, Cicatrix, Coal Chamber, Limp Bizkit ($3 bill, y'all and Significant other, please. N 2 Gether Now pwns.), Early Korn and Vacant Stare.

Right...

...now listen to Slipknot (anything other than MFKR).

...Not the same genre.

And just what are those traits?

*n

Agree, if anything Slipknot are a heavier progression of Pitchshifter (well the first album is at least, with the DnB samples they use)

They metal style is definately more death metal than anything, listen to all the blast drumming, i wouldn't call them nu-metal at all, the only smilarity they hold is that they came about when nu-metal was big, but they are nothing like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Deftones, Coal Chamber etc, etc.

Never really got the whole slipknot thing, i like them but the amount of people who i know who went from hating metal and then suddenly liked Slipknot always confused me as with the majority of peopl;e i knew getting into metal was some sort of progression from gentler stuff to heavier, but loads of people seemed to skip the whole progression thing and just go in for some damn heavy stuff from the off.

simisker · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:33

penski said:
Pitch Shifter

I will always maintain that Pitch Shifter and Pitchshifter were different bands.

You can bisect and capitalise all you want

but we *are* talking about the band that recorded their first album "Industrial" in late 1990, right?

It's just that Godflesh's eponymous LP [also known as The Swordfish LP] was recorded and released in 1988

THMRK · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:38

penski said:
Ah. That's where you're wrong.

Go listen to Linea77, Shorty, Tung, Cicatrix, Coal Chamber, Limp Bizkit ($3 bill, y'all and Significant other, please. N 2 Gether Now pwns.), Early Korn and Vacant Stare.

Right...

...now listen to Slipknot (anything other than MFKR).

...Not the same genre.

So what genre would you put them in, to me they sound like nu-metal...

penski said:
And just what are those traits?

*n

Downtuned guitars with a fairly audiable near dancable bassline (I mean audiable in a hip-hop sense...), DJ and rapping. Now, possibly, I'd argue they were no longer nu-metal simply for the fact they're now displaying some acutal technical proficiancy as opposed to mindless one finger on and off riffage. Basically taking the least technical part of Pantera style riffage and complete untechnicallity in the music. The drumming its self isn't all that impressive either. Everyone goes Joey this great rep as an awesome drummer when in the end, he lacks and real technical ability. He plays really fast. But so can I...

penski · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:55

Woody__ said:
So what genre would you put them in, to me they sound like nu-metal...

I already told you - Death Metal. Listen to the drums, the main vocals, the basslines and the riffing. We are talking about their second album, yeah? Which is the point of contention as that is when they 'broke' and when they said they were death metal.

Downtuned guitars with a fairly audiable near dancable bassline (I mean audiable in a hip-hop sense...), DJ and rapping.

Slipknot rap? I've not listened to much after the second album but seriously? Anders sang fast, Mr. Tayler sang fast but neither rapped. By that reasoning, The Haunted rap :/

Now, possibly, I'd argue they were no longer nu-metal simply for the fact they're now displaying some acutal technical proficiancy as opposed to mindless one finger on and off riffage.

They've always been proficient guitarists...Not really winging it with Barre chords. Ever heard Jim do a solo?

The drumming its self isn't all that impressive either. Everyone goes Joey this great rep as an awesome drummer when in the end, he lacks and real technical ability. He plays really fast. But so can I...

He has his moments and displays genius occasionally in his syncopation but on the whole, he's just a death metal drummer with a fast kick.

*n

CaPtBlaCk · 8 Apr 2006 at 00:59

Bands that towered above the rest at the time (IMHO of course) and that still blow me away to this day.....

Misfits

Pre NWOBHM-

Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Scorpions

NWOBHM-

Iron Maiden, Raven, Tank, Diamond Head, Witchfinder General, Spellbound

Black Metal-

Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer (Celtic Frost), Warhammer

Thrash/Death/Blah Blah-

Slayer, Metallica, Repulsion, Death

Hardcore/SE/Punk-

Lärm, Heresy, Ripcord, DRI, Deep Wound, Agnostic Front, NYC Mayhem, Napalm Death, Youth Of Today, Infest

Industrial-

Godflesh, Ministry, Skinny Puppy

CaPtBlaCk · 8 Apr 2006 at 01:05

richard smith said:
S.O.D with Speak English or Die

LOL!

About as influential/relevant as Battleaxe or the AGL..............

Sparky191 · 8 Apr 2006 at 01:28

When I was a wee lad late 80's early 90's we had heavy metal and we had thrash metal. About 80% of the new heavy metal bands that you guys are talking about would all have been considered thrash metal at that time. Heavy Metal was other stuff. At that time Anthrax were probably one of the biggest thrash bands if not thee biggest. But its interesting to note no one mentioned them here. At the time you had bands like Anthrax, Metallica, Venom, etc.

I was never really into the thrash scene, I prefered the more like Rainbow, Thin Lizzy, Dokken, Quiet Riot, Scorpions, Ozzy, Queensrÿche, Van Halen, White Lion etc. Dio, Aerosmith, Jovi, Testement, Telsa, Vai/Joe Satriani, Annihilator, Marty Friedman/Jason Becker, Crimson Glory, Dream Theater
Symphony X, Whitesnake, Queen. Judas Priest, Motorhead etc.

Some of these you don't even consider metal anymore.

CaPtBlaCk · 8 Apr 2006 at 01:48

Sparky191 said:
When I was a wee lad late 80's early 90's we had heavy metal and we had thrash metal. About 80% of the new heavy metal bands that you guys are talking about would all have been considered thrash metal at that time. Heavy Metal was other stuff. At that time Anthrax were probably one of the biggest thrash bands if not thee biggest. But its interesting to note no one mentioned them here. At the time you had bands like Anthrax, Metallica, Venom, etc.

Anthrax were an ok band, just over shadowed by Metallica, Slayer etc.

CaPtBlaCk · 8 Apr 2006 at 02:02

Sparky191 said:
Some of these you don't even consider metal anymore.

Not at all, you have mentioned some great bands and I should have included Rainbow in my post!

However at the time, allegiance to specific types of music seemed to be normal - I listened obsessively to 70's Punk > Rock > NWOBHM > Black Metal > Thrash/Death Metal > Hardcore/SE Punk > Industrial > Sub Pop.

In my formative years (along with my peers), I seemed to have an inability to like and be identified with more than one classification of music at a time. However as time has progressed, I am happy to listen to any and every type of music going (well almost!).

Arcade Fire · 8 Apr 2006 at 09:52

penski said:
...and Vacant Stare.

Haha, you actually listened to Vacant Stare? One of my mates from school, Nik, was the guitarist with them. They were turd

SexyGreyFox · 8 Apr 2006 at 12:20

CaPtBlaCk said:
Anthrax were an ok band, just over shadowed by Metallica, Slayer etc.

Anthrax were/are bloody awesome.
I suggest you buy the recent Alive 2 DVD which shows other bands where to get off.
You are right though - they were/are overshadowed by those two.