!!!! The OCUK Martial Arts Thread !!!!

Nana said:
ba gua kan, a kind of extraordinarily violent tai chi.

Yeah, Bag Gua Zhang is another cool internal MA... very fast and consists of coiling/uncoiing techniques in order to generate power. It was widely used by bodyguards in China a couple of hundred years back.

If you want to learn about a SERIOUSLY kickass internal MA then take a look at this... Baji Quan (or The Bodyguard Art), when combined with the art Piqua (the softer aspects) that it is regularly taught with the old saying goes...

"When pigua is added to baji, gods and demons will all be terrified" and "When baji is added to pigua , heros will sigh knowing they is no match against it."

It was widely used by the hard-nut imperial bodyguardes in the last few centuries and revolves around short, powerful strikes using elbows, knees etc. It was one of the most feared arts there was http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Dojo/2457/baji.html

Another one worth looking up is Xing-Yi which is another internal art where one practitioner once famously won a full-contact MA tournament using just one type of punch http://www.shenwu.com/hsingi.htm

More about Tai-CHi http://www.shenwu.com/taichi.htm

More about Bagua http://www.shenwu.com/bagua.htm

Heh that's what I love about MA... there's so many different styles and things to learn about it's fascinating. others will no doubt be bored stiff. :)
 
Makaveli said:
Oh really, which top judoka beat which BJJ fighter? :D

Google it mate, there's plenty. :)

Oh and the most famous? Probably Hidehiko Yoshida vs Royce Gracie... Royce lost to a submission. Only the top BJJ artist in the world eh? :D
 
Hmm i'm not making it a Judo vs BJJ peeing match, BJJ is widely regarded as the best grounfighting art there is. I was just making a point so someone else who WASNT YOU thet Judo is not some wet weak art consisting of pins... and that it CAN compete with arts such as BJJ.

That was the point I was making so put yer willy away. Capiche? :)
 
No, Trojan you are very likely right mate, I was talking about Judo from a mainly self-defence aspect. Competition judo in many areas is HEAVILY crippled obviously due to not being able to use a vast majority of the techniques in a friendly "competition" situation, especially as many kids practise it.

I should have specified, my bad. :)
 
Out of those my choice for practical self-defence would be...

Judo or Jiu-Jitsu to get a good base in ground-fighting... basically whichever one of the two allows you to spar (randori) the soonest.

Bristol Taiji http://www.bristoltaiji.com/self_defence.html

They teach Tai-Chi as a proper MA there, in fact the course aspects look pretty damn good, it's definately worth a look, and I think looks a bit better than the one above from what i've read of the course though naturally you'll have to go see for yourself. Preliminary examination looks very positive thoughm seems they cover a lot of self-defence. if you're looking for a Tai-Chi school and have the patience I suggest going for a gander.

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Now THIS place looks the shizz... just really caught my eye, the Mousavi Martial Arts Academy http://www.mousavi.co.uk/ :D

It covers the whole shebang here...

We teach traditional Shaolin Kung Fu. Hung Kuen is the first system that we teach, however, other systems such as Lau Gar, Shaolin Wing Chun, Shaolin Flower Boxing and other specialised systems are also introduced as the student progresses. There is great emphasis on practical and functional application of techniques. Topics covered include traditional empty hand and weapon forms, pugilism, grappling, ground fighting, locking and holding, vital point striking, breathing techniques, fight strategy, modern and traditional training aids.

As soon as I saw it did this...

The sporting aspects of martial arts allow the students to compete against each other with full protective clothing and equipment, under the supervision of coaches, referees and judges. Safety is the number one priority. There are many different categories including semi-contact, full-contact and weapon-sparring.

... I was sold. ANY Kung Fu place that lets you get suited up and go at it in full-contact sparring is someone where I would seriously consider... it means you will get to actually apply the techniques you learn with speed and pace, essential if you want to learn seld-defence.

This would be my top choice out of all of the ones you listed. :)
 
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lol, about time this thread got revived... congrats Fishy on passing the grading.:D

I haven't been to MA for a good few months now due to lack of funds... I really need to get back into it as soon as I start work. :(
 
Ahh yes of course, Pak Mei you lucky git. It is very hard to train at home though... so easy to get out of routine. That's why I always prefer to go to class as many times as possible in a week when able.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
Wing Chun student.
to the OP,deciding any style isn't a complete system is like deciding a book is rubbish after only reading a few pages.

It was just my opinion, but one shared by many i've met, some who have practised it for years. They nearly all cross-train in Judo, BJJ or Kali.

as for JKD,the idea sounds fantastic,but the phrase "jack of all trades,master of none" springs to mind.

I'm not going to get into the debate, i'll just say that in my personal opinion the fighters i've met through JKD seem to be more competent than those I met in Wing Chun.

I would rather be good at boxing and good at grappling and handy with a pool cue or kali stick than great at only one of them... any day of the week. I'm never going to be a master of a martial art in my lifetime and though I don't know you I would say it is unlikely you are either. Best to prepare an all-rounded education to cover the different scenarios I may realistically have to face than strive to be something i'll never be. ;)
 
Brynn I need your location or where you're willing to travel within before I reccommend one, need to have a look tos ee what there is in your area. :)
 
lol I found this one, it's very heavy so you won't be interested in it from what you've said you're looking for but I wish it was near me... http://www.amag.org.uk/

This place looks amazing if you ignore the blurb... there's a variety of options and it looks like they train contact. You will get self-defence form that school but not many kicks or punches compared to TKD or Kung Fu. http://www.smartdefence.co.uk/

Here's a big list of ones in your city... http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/acc/YourCity/CommunityContacts/contact_indlist.asp?ind=11&ind2=117

Would you prefer TKD to those?

WushuMaster said:
JKD is a philosophy. Its not a style. If you are learning JKD, then are missing the point completely.

I'm well aware of the philosophy thanks... but for simplicities sake it is much easier to just say "I practise JKD" rather than "I follow the philosophy of JKD".
 
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The_Dark_Side said:
JKD requires you to master parts of MANY styles..something many people think is ultimately an unattainable quest.

For many mastering a single art is an unattainable quest... to do so requires constant practise every day... and in todays world who has time for that when they have a job, kids, and busy social life?

That is why JKD is so effective... in a short space of time you can learn some very practical and immediately applicable fighting techniques, and for someone looking to learn self-defence that is what really matters.

After all, what are the chances you are going to get into a fight with a master of martial arts in your lifetime? Answer: slim to none. :)
 
The_Dark_Side said:
what i was trying to say was someone that's dedicated themselves to one style will,all things being equal,be more proficient than someone that's been a student of JKD for the same timespan.

I have to highly disagree here. If you compare JKD vs Wing Chun and take a student from each class that has learnt each art for 1 year then "all things being equal" the JKD would in my opinion wipe the floor with the WC guy. If there's one thing WC and many other types of Kung Fu don't give you it is quick access to decent fighting ability. They take a lot longer to "piece together", and in the long-term they have no been shown to be any more effective than JKD, except when you factor that Kung Fu usually carries greater health benefits and can be carried into old age. Especially Tai-CHi, which I would say when learned to a high standard is without doubt one of the most effective arts in existence.

although for self defence purposes i'd advise against JKD as it requires a high level of commitment and fitness,2 quantities that your average self defence student doesn't have enough of.

Again I have to disagree completely and wonder what you mean by this... ANY martial art requires a high level of commitment, WC far more than JKD if you want to get proficient, and that's a fact. I have seen people turn up to JKD out of shape only to see dramatic improvements in fitness and fighting ability after only a few short months. You don't NEED to be in shape to do JKD... but by God it will get you IN shape. It's called conditioning, and it has a lot more of that in it than the Kung Fu classes I attended, one of which was renowned for being a "hard and exerting" WC sdhool.

Conditioning is the one big reason why all of the Kung Fu guys who went to Thailand had their arses handed to them on a plate. The Muay Thai guys were so insanely conditioned that almost every fight was over within 1 minute... and those were "Kung Fu masters" of the time. That's why the chinese then created Sanda/San Shou or "fighting Kung Fu" as it's known by some, and they are havign far greater success against the Thai now. :)
 
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Depth said:
Hey darkside (or anyone else), do you know if there are any pure wc users in the ufc / pride / K1?

No, Wing Chun and Kung Fu guys as well as Karate and Ninjutsu guys tried in the early days of the UFC and nearly all fights were over in a minute or two, they got demolished.

Popular excuses are that their arts were too deadly for the ring and could not be used in a sporting environment, however this argument is rubbish seeing as someone trained in BJJJ/Muay Thai etc can kill you just as easily. The reality was that compared to the cross-trained UFC fighters they were simply not conditioned enough to stand up to serious punishment, they lacked the strength and stamina, as well as pressurised fighting training to compete.

However there is a guy whose name escapes me who uses Wing Chun in combination with a couple of other arts and he does very well in the UFC, using Wing Chun principles for striking.

You take any pure Wing CHun or Kung Fu guy and train him 7 days a week to fight in the ring and build up his stamina and endurance to athlete levels and then he will be able to compete better gainst trained ring fighters. However, without that conditioning, he will be in trouble very quickly. :)
 
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Depth said:
Thats what I thought, cheers. I think the guy you may be thinking of is David "The Crow" Loiseau, although Im not 100%, as I much prefer Pride to the UFC :)

Interestingly, Mirko "cro cop" Filipovic was a pure kick boxer when he first fought in pride, and he domintaed most of his opponents with ease. I don't really think that means that kickboxing is a superior style to others though, more that he is just a superior athlete with awesome genetic gifts.

I've seen Cro Cop fight and he is simply unbelievable, he kicks like a mule. However, most of his opponents were not heavy grapplers like you find in UFC, Pride tends to have more stand-up.
 
lol i'm not the biggest teabag in thew world but the thought of training at a Thai camp makes my knees wobble. My mate does Muay Thai and his instructor is an ex world champ called Mick, a big black bloke, and he's told him about how they train over there and how they fight. lets just say the shelf-life of a fighter is quite erm... short over there. The chance of big and frequent injury is huge... definately not my cup of tea. :o

I'll stick to large bruises and a bloody nose thanks, don't quite fancy cracked shins etc at this point in my life. :D
 
Voltar said:
Hi All

I've wanted to do a martial art for a long time.

I did judo for a while (a year or so) and was orange belt.
I hated judo. I really did.
At the time I was one of the biggest and heaviest members of the club (it wsa a small one) and I was only 13. So I always had to train with the seniors and get my butt kicked so it wasnt much of an ego boost.

That was a good thing, ego is something that should always be left at the door when doing any martial art.

Boxing is very appealing atm I have to say

Bear in mind that with boxing it involves a lot of sparring, so you are going to take a lot of hits to the face... in 99% of workplaces that may be a problem if you go in with bruises etc.

You sound perfectly suited with your size/build to a grappling art that also incorporates striking such as Jiu-jitsu. Your build/weight means you're not going to be the most mobile guy in the world, but it also means that if you get in close to someone then it's game over for them if you learn how to grapple.

Where do you live? Without that info it's hard to see what's in your area.

cleanbluesky said:
Anyone know where I can start Wushu in London?

Wushu is a VERY general term for Kung Fu... any chance you can be mroe specific, seen anything that has interested you? Your build? Fitness? Do you want to learn practical self-defence or more for the fitness?
 
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