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*** The Official Alder Lake owners thread ***
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I suspect that is indeed the case strange how for a short while everything seemed fine though, maybe it's the memory training thing that has settled and started to highlight the need for more voltage or something?
Either way, this is good stuff, I even played an hour of Cyberpunk with the latest patch and has no CTD.
Either way, this is good stuff, I even played an hour of Cyberpunk with the latest patch and has no CTD.
Good result there all round, whilst still maintaining Gear 1. Now keep on F6 BIOS and you will be fine
F6 is here to stay unless GB put some great new features in a future update
Just did my first 4K 60fps video production in Davinci Resolve and while it uses Cuda during the final render, the CPU utilisation during editing and seeking etc was superb. Took seconds to produce the end video.
Not bad at all although it is worth pointing out that Crucial have closed up shop for Ballistix and will no longer be offering any support going forwards! All fine if you have no RMA needs etc but I'd be wary of buying any Ballistix RAM unless it was bargain basement pricing now!
There's been no word on what will happen with warranty, although Crucial itself will continue with generic RAM and server side offerings so I guess they may still honour warranties but not sure how they will replace kit if they are no longer producing Ballistix modules.
It's not just a flashy heat spreader though, Ballistix RAM will have undergone extra testing to ensure they run stable etc under their advertised speeds and timings. If it was just normal stuff with fancy cooling bits then people would have just been buying the cheaper RAM and putting on heat spreaders.
If there's lifetime or extended warranty then I've yet to see any company keep at it long after they close up that brand, or part of that business. It's just one of those situations really.
I have no doubt, but that last bit will also no doubt be sooner rather than later. micron aren't going to continue putting resources into an arm of business that is no longer generating revenue. You can't trust any company these days to do that effectively. The like for like will just be bog standard RAM equivalent, maybe some timings will be slacker, but the frequency will be the same and they will call it a day.
Personally I would not be wanting to pay standard price for components that are no longer being made because the uncertainty of getting a replacement if it goes bad is exactly that, or after years being able to get a good deal on resale etc.
If there's lifetime or extended warranty then I've yet to see any company keep at it long after they close up that brand, or part of that business. It's just one of those situations really.
I have no doubt, but that last bit will also no doubt be sooner rather than later. micron aren't going to continue putting resources into an arm of business that is no longer generating revenue. You can't trust any company these days to do that effectively. The like for like will just be bog standard RAM equivalent, maybe some timings will be slacker, but the frequency will be the same and they will call it a day.
Personally I would not be wanting to pay standard price for components that are no longer being made because the uncertainty of getting a replacement if it goes bad is exactly that, or after years being able to get a good deal on resale etc.
Sorry but once warehouse stock is gone I cannot see how they can satisfy lifetime (or still running) warranties if there literally isn't any way to replace them as they don't make the RAM any more. It would be really cool if all is well going forwards, but this hasn't been the case in the past elsewhere, just because their RMA process is good doesn't mean it will remain that way for a product that has been axed.
We've been burned by big corps before way too many times, it's cynic mode with these outfits from now on when they make promises, that way when they do deliver, we are impressed and pleased, instead of disappointed because expectations were not met.
We've been burned by big corps before way too many times, it's cynic mode with these outfits from now on when they make promises, that way when they do deliver, we are impressed and pleased, instead of disappointed because expectations were not met.
Well you've been returning RAM still in production and readily supported so I would expect nothing but top level service. We can revisit this in a year or two and see if the same can be said. There's really no need to get so uppity!
I admit I should have worded that first post better, but the rest is very reasonable, even if it is a guess, going by past experiences of discontinued products across the board that has been the trend. As I say, give it a year or two and see what actually happens.
As a consumer personally as my corporate dealings through work has always been through an accounts manager who has the sole job of getting things done and me not having to deal with manufacturers directly, although I left the IT field just before Covid struck.
I will have to apologise though, it seems a really silly thing to debate about really and as I said I do hope Micron stick to their word. There have bee frustrations elsewhere today with the Galxy S22 Ultra having screen issues across the board on European models (with many owners on ocuk who got their ones today too) it seems and I'm sat here with a pre-order having ummed and ahhed over the cancel button a number of times today but decided to think about it over a nice shower and tea to come to correct senses. Companies just can't be relied upon all the time sadly, even if they are otherwise generally really good. I also have an ongoing support (or lack of) ticket open with a watch strap manufacturer that sent me the wrong item and they are just ignoring any contact entirely.
As I say, no excuse to have an argument over such a thing so time to go back to what we do best and discuss the pros/cons of Alder Lake
So on that note, some continued good news in that there have been no app crashes or entries in reliability monitor since upping the DDR voltage to 1.46 and going back to the F6 BIOS. I have played a lot of Cyberpunk lately with the new patch, so if it was going to show any signs of error then this game would certainly be it.
The kind of upward curve I like to see
Definitely, it's nice too that those remaining games that didn't like E-Cores have all been patched, Adobe patched up Photoshop as well after I posted a thread in the Adobe forums and it was kinda nice seeing how they right away got working o the problem and how the rest of the userbase input their feedback too.
All in all, a brilliant platform.
All in all, a brilliant platform.
It's main usefulness is troubleshooting if you 3070 stops working one day. The secondary use is maybe video editing where the video processor can accelerate encoding but only in apps that make use of Intel's igpu like Premier - But then nVidia CUDA acceleration etc is very very fast too and more apps make use of that like Davinci Resole which I find quicker to use/prefer.
Otherwise you can disable it and only have the one video adapter being displayed in Windows/apps to clean things up and not have to bother with installing and Intel GPU drivers as a result too.
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My RAM error has returned it seems. Can RAM errors crop up over time perhaps? I did bump the voltage up to 1.47 and reran Karhu but still got a single error around 186% - Dropped back to 1.46v and then dropped the speed from 3600MHz to 3500MHz. Currently rerunning Karhu and it's at 329% without error.
Previously when I saw no errors it was getting over 5000% coverage so I called it a day then and thought it was stable but seems over time this error stability has shifted even though I've not actually changed anything. The tell tale sign is when a game just randomly quits to desktop, which I take a signal now to run Karhu and lo and behold, an error quiet early into the run.
Otherwise you can disable it and only have the one video adapter being displayed in Windows/apps to clean things up and not have to bother with installing and Intel GPU drivers as a result too.
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My RAM error has returned it seems. Can RAM errors crop up over time perhaps? I did bump the voltage up to 1.47 and reran Karhu but still got a single error around 186% - Dropped back to 1.46v and then dropped the speed from 3600MHz to 3500MHz. Currently rerunning Karhu and it's at 329% without error.
Previously when I saw no errors it was getting over 5000% coverage so I called it a day then and thought it was stable but seems over time this error stability has shifted even though I've not actually changed anything. The tell tale sign is when a game just randomly quits to desktop, which I take a signal now to run Karhu and lo and behold, an error quiet early into the run.
Yup it seems for my particular RAM and capacity (2 sticks of 32GB), it's just that bit more finicky that desirable. I know from before that the issue seems to only exist at 3600MHz, and so far at 3500MHz Karhu is still going.
I suspect no matter what DRAM voltage I set, the stability will randomly crop up again if the RAM is at 3600MHz and Gear mode is 1. I'd prefer the bandwidth of Gear 1 though as when I export in Lightroom it's always a large batch so would benefit from the increased bandwidth I guess.
I suspect no matter what DRAM voltage I set, the stability will randomly crop up again if the RAM is at 3600MHz and Gear mode is 1. I'd prefer the bandwidth of Gear 1 though as when I export in Lightroom it's always a large batch so would benefit from the increased bandwidth I guess.
Yeah that's true, I saw no real problem with 3200-3400MHz really and for all intents and purposes there was little in the way of noticeable difference in games/apps at these frequencies, it would just have been nice to run at the rated 3600MHz I guess.
DDR4 btw will happily run at 1.5v in oc conditions without affecting stability it seems in general, but as with many things, each module can vary as well tbh. If this 3500MHz hits 6400% in Karhu then I will just leave it at that and see if game CTD returns at a later date, and if so, then drop to 3400MHz. I want stability, but memory bandwidth performance is also a factor given my use case (mostly editing in large batches with some gaming week-round).
DDR4 btw will happily run at 1.5v in oc conditions without affecting stability it seems in general, but as with many things, each module can vary as well tbh. If this 3500MHz hits 6400% in Karhu then I will just leave it at that and see if game CTD returns at a later date, and if so, then drop to 3400MHz. I want stability, but memory bandwidth performance is also a factor given my use case (mostly editing in large batches with some gaming week-round).
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Yup all about some form of compromise really. So far 3111% and no errors. I have a strong feeling about this as it's pretty clear that 3600MHz with this volume of RAM per module is where the issue seems to lie. There is a sweet spot somewhere between DRAM voltage and System Agent voltage and maybe something else, but it's too much faff to test and trace all combinations given the relative tiny difference between say 3400MHz and 3600MHz I suppose.