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Kahn's head has always been bigger than his boxing talent so I can't say I'm really surprised. Having said that, it's a dangerous fight and he's always a single punch away from having his head removed so they might be purposely pricing themselves out of the fight.
I'm not sure who is the bigger celeb or better known but the Brook Khan fight is the biggest fight Khan could hope to get ever. In boxing terms Brook is the man and for Khan a fight of this magnitude would be a chance to prove he's a top level fighter. If he turns down Brook then he really is finished. All he has left is a possible mandatory shot at the WBC belt.
If Brook beats Spence and Khan doesn't win the WBC title then it's game over. The only Amir Khan fight I would ever watch would be one of those fights. My wife knows who amir Khan is but she would never pay to watch him box. Who is the bigger name isn't going to sell more tickets.
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I'm not sure what's going on in Khan's head, maybe he suffers from some kind of complex. The problem for me is Khan's been groomed and spoon feed aponents all his life to help his development but he's now a grown fighter and should be in the prime of his career, but still acts like a boy still learning his craft while expecting millions to fund his celeb life style. It seems Khan spent his best years chasing FM and moving up in weight when he could have been fighting for titles and challenging the best in his division. The problem is he hasn't done anything in boxing or proved he's worthy of fighting the best. The time for hand holding Khan has passed and people must see this.
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I agree it's the biggest fight for Khan but it's the same for Brook too. The difference is Khan's made far more money than Brook has throughout his career. Brook's struggled to make the big money fights which is why he took the GGG fight. Brook needs the fight more and brings less money to the table.
And the bigger name definitely sells more tickets. Anybody with half an interest in boxing knows who Khan is, only proper boxing fans know who Brook is and as Hearn admits himself, its the casual fans that bring the money in.
edit: as for Spence, all the talk from Hearn is that he wants Brook to move up if the Khan fight doesn't happen.
Brook v Khan is maybe one of the biggest fights in boxing. Certainly the biggest fight that can happen in the welterweight division. Khan hasn't got room or time to take meaningless fights because no one wants to see him in another grooming match against a middle of the road American. It's time to make a mark at 147.
Khan should fight Brook then the winner of Gracia Thurman. Brook should then fight Spence or move up if he can't make 147.
Kell Brook went to the states and took a belt from a man billed as the next Mike Tyson of boxing, has a better record and all but a couple of his fights have been in the UK. He's been a champion for three years and the Golovkin fight massively outsold anything Khan has done in business terms and that fight probably didn't have enough time to be marketed or get the exposure it deserved.
I'd have to disagree. Brook brings credibility and a point to the fight.
I've just seen a video of those two erm... training
Its a case of what shot would you like to drop them with.I'm not disputing that they both need each other or arguing who's the best boxer. My point is that, of the two of them, Khan brings more money to the table. As I said, only proper boxing fans know who Brook is - this small group of people don't bring the money in. Eddie Hearn's admitted himself that the reason why matchroom/Sky are so far ahead of the competition is because they target the casual fans, not the hardcore boxing fans. And Hearn's also admitted recently that Khan is the bigger name of the 2.
I'd be surprised if Brook made more from the GGG fight than Khan did for the Canelo fight btw.
More people watched and bought tickets for the Brook GGG fight. If that money ended up in the fighters pockets is another thing. The Canelo Khan fight was a flop from what I understand. Still mega money, but it made nothing close to what was expected.
What Khan needs is to build some credibility, and the only way to do that is to take credible fights. If Khan see's himself as a celeb boxer and doesn't care about being seen as a top fighter, then the Brook fight makes even more sense as it'll be the biggest fight he'll ever have a chance to take and it's a good mix of styles.
I can't see any other motivation to be a professional boxer for Khan other than being the best or getting as much money as he can while he can. I think he's still holding onto his dream of Mayweather offing him a fight, but why I don't know. Being another man to say he was beaten by Mayweather for 12 rounds isn't something I see as an achievement especially when Maywaether is at the very end of his career and well past it and Khan should be in his prime.
Maybe Khan wants the winner of Chris Brown and Soulja Boy...
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I'd be interested to know where you've seen or read that Brook/GGG sold more than Khan/Canelo - I find that incredibly unlikely given the size of the two markets and the fact that Canelo's probably the biggest draw in boxing right now. Hearn all but confirmed that Khan made more than Brook in their last fights - it was put to him that even taking just 30%, Brook would earn more than he did vs GGG and his only response was at 50% Khan would earn more than he did vs Canelo.
As for his motivations, from what I've seen it's money that motivates most fighters and you can't blame them. It's a dangerous career and if you're going to get beaten up for a living you want to make sure you get paid as much as you can for it. And that's the key to this fight for me. Brook's desperate for the money fights at this stage of his career, that's why he took the GGG fight. Where does Brook go beyond Khan that will pay him a fraction of what he'd earn from this fight? Khan on the other hand is already set for life and not only has he made more money than Brook, he'll find making money after boxing far easier given his celeb status too. It's no different to Bellew-Haye. I'd bet my life that Haye's getting the better end of the split in that fight (he's even getting a bigger cut of the promotion too) but Bellew's taking it despite being the more credible fighter and current wold champion in his weigh division. Why? Because he's not made life changing money in his career yet and there isn't any fights for him at his weight that will make him that money. If and when this fight happens, I'd bet that Khan walks away with a bigger cut than Brook.
Regarding Khan needing to take credible fights, that's surely a bit harsh. One thing you can't criticise him of is not taking fights. Losing them has been his issue
As for his motivations, from what I've seen it's money that motivates most fighters and you can't blame them. It's a dangerous career and if you're going to get beaten up for a living you want to make sure you get paid as much as you can for it. And that's the key to this fight for me. Brook's desperate for the money fights at this stage of his career, that's why he took the GGG fight. Where does Brook go beyond Khan that will pay him a fraction of what he'd earn from this fight? Khan on the other hand is already set for life and not only has he made more money than Brook, he'll find making money after boxing far easier given his celeb status too. It's no different to Bellew-Haye. I'd bet my life that Haye's getting the better end of the split in that fight (he's even getting a bigger cut of the promotion too) but Bellew's taking it despite being the more credible fighter and current wold champion in his weigh division. Why? Because he's not made life changing money in his career yet and there isn't any fights for him at his weight that will make him that money. If and when this fight happens, I'd bet that Khan walks away with a bigger cut than Brook.
Regarding Khan needing to take credible fights, that's surely a bit harsh. One thing you can't criticise him of is not taking fights. Losing them has been his issue
Be interested to see if it does get the go ahead now that Brook has said he would be happy with a winner takes 70/30 split now.
Surely no reason not to take the fight as both fighters have said on many many occasions how easily they will knock each other out.
Surely no reason not to take the fight as both fighters have said on many many occasions how easily they will knock each other out.
All boxers say these things publicly but it's usually just bravado. If anyone follows IFL TV, they done an interview with Hearn and Khan's promoter recently where Khan's promoter mentioned that there's legal reasons why Khan can only take the fight on a 70-30 basis in his favour. No idea what those could be.
I'd be interested to know where you've seen or read that Brook/GGG sold more than Khan/Canelo - I find that incredibly unlikely given the size of the two markets and the fact that Canelo's probably the biggest draw in boxing right now. Hearn all but confirmed that Khan made more than Brook in their last fights - it was put to him that even taking just 30%, Brook would earn more than he did vs GGG and his only response was at 50% Khan would earn more than he did vs Canelo.
As for his motivations, from what I've seen it's money that motivates most fighters and you can't blame them. It's a dangerous career and if you're going to get beaten up for a living you want to make sure you get paid as much as you can for it. And that's the key to this fight for me. Brook's desperate for the money fights at this stage of his career, that's why he took the GGG fight. Where does Brook go beyond Khan that will pay him a fraction of what he'd earn from this fight? Khan on the other hand is already set for life and not only has he made more money than Brook, he'll find making money after boxing far easier given his celeb status too. It's no different to Bellew-Haye. I'd bet my life that Haye's getting the better end of the split in that fight (he's even getting a bigger cut of the promotion too) but Bellew's taking it despite being the more credible fighter and current wold champion in his weigh division. Why? Because he's not made life changing money in his career yet and there isn't any fights for him at his weight that will make him that money. If and when this fight happens, I'd bet that Khan walks away with a bigger cut than Brook.
Regarding Khan needing to take credible fights, that's surely a bit harsh. One thing you can't criticise him of is not taking fights. Losing them has been his issue
Khan is a very inactive fighter and he's not made an impression in any division he's fought in. His losses are the biggest problem and the level of opposition he's lost against hasn't been the highest. You can only get so far talking in boxing and Khan's at the point he has to start proving he's more than just middle of the road.
If Khan doesn't take this fight then what? Another fight against another average fighter that might beat him? Take away the WBC mandatory slot and he's not even a top 15 ranked fighter.
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All promoters say these things publicly but it's usually just bravado.
If Khan can't take a fight unless it's 70/30 in this favour he needs to vacate his WBC slot because as a challenger he's looking at 25/75 to the champion.
Again, I'm not disputing who's the better fighter, who needs the fight more from a boxing point of view or anything like that. I'm looking at it purely from a money point of view because ultimately that's what will count the most.
Khan's a house hold name, already a multi millionaire and even without the Brook fight, he'll find a fight that will pay him reasonably well elsewhere. He could also retire from boxing and make a career as a pundit or whatever else thanks to his celeb status. And because of his status, if this fight does happen, he'll bring more PPV buys and be a bigger attraction to foreign TV stations than Brook.
Brook on the other hand is desperately looking for money fights. Through no fault of his own, he's not had the high profile, high paid career that he probably should have had. He wants and needs this fight more and outside the hardcore boxing fans, he's not a big pull.
As I said in the post you quoted, there's a lot of similarities to the Haye/Bellew fight. Bellew needed the fight more than Haye so regardless of the fact that Haye's not had a proper fight in years and Bellew being at the peak of his career and current world champion, Haye got the bigger slice of the pie. As I said, he even managed to get a bigger cut of the promotional side of things too.
Khan's a house hold name, already a multi millionaire and even without the Brook fight, he'll find a fight that will pay him reasonably well elsewhere. He could also retire from boxing and make a career as a pundit or whatever else thanks to his celeb status. And because of his status, if this fight does happen, he'll bring more PPV buys and be a bigger attraction to foreign TV stations than Brook.
Brook on the other hand is desperately looking for money fights. Through no fault of his own, he's not had the high profile, high paid career that he probably should have had. He wants and needs this fight more and outside the hardcore boxing fans, he's not a big pull.
As I said in the post you quoted, there's a lot of similarities to the Haye/Bellew fight. Bellew needed the fight more than Haye so regardless of the fact that Haye's not had a proper fight in years and Bellew being at the peak of his career and current world champion, Haye got the bigger slice of the pie. As I said, he even managed to get a bigger cut of the promotional side of things too.
Who you think is the better fighter isn't the argument. Khan doesn't deserve this fight at all really. It's more a shot at redemption for him.
Khan stating he wants the fight then asking for 70 percent against a guy that has proved himself is the problem. Even at 50/50 not only is this the biggest fight Khan will ever get, it's also the most money he will ever see from boxing and more money than the man off the street will earn in twenty lifetimes. Add this to the fact he's done nothing with his career and the other option is take a fight in the US for peanuts then wait for the winner of Thurman and Garcia to again be paid peanuts by comparison to the Brook fight and nothing make sense.
Khan's happy to risk getting KO'd by Thurman or Garcia and fall out of the rankings for 25%, but not happy to risk fighting Brook that moves him up the rankings and pays mega money. Besides JA and Vlad the Brook v Khan would be the biggest fight of 2017.
Khan stating he wants the fight then asking for 70 percent against a guy that has proved himself is the problem. Even at 50/50 not only is this the biggest fight Khan will ever get, it's also the most money he will ever see from boxing and more money than the man off the street will earn in twenty lifetimes. Add this to the fact he's done nothing with his career and the other option is take a fight in the US for peanuts then wait for the winner of Thurman and Garcia to again be paid peanuts by comparison to the Brook fight and nothing make sense.
Khan's happy to risk getting KO'd by Thurman or Garcia and fall out of the rankings for 25%, but not happy to risk fighting Brook that moves him up the rankings and pays mega money. Besides JA and Vlad the Brook v Khan would be the biggest fight of 2017.
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You're missing the point.
Maybe he doesn't deserve it, maybe 50-50 is fair, maybe it's the most money he'll get from a fight etc etc etc. It doesn't matter because he knows Brook needs it more and he knows he brings more money to the table.
The peanuts Khan will make fighting in the US is more than what Brook will make fighting anybody other than Khan but more importantly, Brook isn't financially set for life like Khan is. For over a year all you've heard from Eddie Hearn is how he needs to get Brook the big pay days he deserves - the problem is Brook isn't the big draw, they need somebody to bring the money to the table and there's very few options.
If and when this fight is made I'd bet my life that Khan walks away with a bigger cut than Brook. His team have opened up by asking for 70% knowing that Brook/Hearn will try to knock them down. It's the same with Brook/Hearn opening with 50% - they know Khan will want to knock them down. That's not me saying he deserves it based on his boxing but it's how it will play out, I'm certain of that.
Maybe he doesn't deserve it, maybe 50-50 is fair, maybe it's the most money he'll get from a fight etc etc etc. It doesn't matter because he knows Brook needs it more and he knows he brings more money to the table.
The peanuts Khan will make fighting in the US is more than what Brook will make fighting anybody other than Khan but more importantly, Brook isn't financially set for life like Khan is. For over a year all you've heard from Eddie Hearn is how he needs to get Brook the big pay days he deserves - the problem is Brook isn't the big draw, they need somebody to bring the money to the table and there's very few options.
If and when this fight is made I'd bet my life that Khan walks away with a bigger cut than Brook. His team have opened up by asking for 70% knowing that Brook/Hearn will try to knock them down. It's the same with Brook/Hearn opening with 50% - they know Khan will want to knock them down. That's not me saying he deserves it based on his boxing but it's how it will play out, I'm certain of that.