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_Jimlad_ said:
when you call out who he has beaten then yes
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If you look at my post I said...
For him to be the best of his generation he needs more than just Wilder and Whyte on his list.
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I don't think you'd find many people who consider Klitschko part of this generation of heavyweights when he last fought 5 years ago and only 2 fights in the last 7 years. Of the current active heavyweights from his own generation, Fury has only beaten 2 highly ranked fighters. If he wants to be out-and-out the best fighter of his generation, which he may well be, but he needs to prove it in the ring. A trilogy with Wilder, who for the longest people have said is a terrible champion, and one defence against Whyte is hardly compelling evidence to be the best of the generation. He, in my opinion, needs to fight Usyk, AJ, Ruiz, Hunter and Joyce. If he cleaned out the division and took on all comers then he'd have a rightful claim to 'best of his generation'. Remember, styles make fights and in the heavyweight division anything can happen. No fighter deserves to get credit for fights they haven't taken when fans say "oh that fight is pointless X would easily win". No. Prove it. Imagine if Mike Tyson didn't fight Buster Douglas? The greatest upset in boxing would've never happened cause you have fans saying they win easily anyway.

Just to repeat myself. 5 World title fights, 3 of which were against the same man, and 2 defences. That's all he has done. His best opponents are Wladmir, Wilder, Whyte and Chisora. Cunningham is a good name at cruiserweight but didn't do much at heavy and he arguably lost the first John McDermot fight.

He has to show more if he wants to go down as the king of the division who reigned over everyone.
 
Junglist said:
If you look at my post I said...

I don't think you'd find many people who consider Klitschko part of this generation of heavyweights when he last fought 5 years ago and only 2 fights in the last 7 years. Of the current active heavyweights from his own generation, Fury has only beaten 2 highly ranked fighters. If he wants to be out-and-out the best fighter of his generation, which he may well be, but he needs to prove it in the ring. A trilogy with Wilder, who for the longest people have said is a terrible champion, and one defence against Whyte is hardly compelling evidence to be the best of the generation. He, in my opinion, needs to fight Usyk, AJ, Ruiz, Hunter and Joyce. If he cleaned out the division and took on all comers then he'd have a rightful claim to 'best of his generation'. Remember, styles make fights and in the heavyweight division anything can happen. No fighter deserves to get credit for fights they haven't taken when fans say "oh that fight is pointless X would easily win". No. Prove it. Imagine if Mike Tyson didn't fight Buster Douglas? The greatest upset in boxing would've never happened cause you have fans saying they win easily anyway.

Just to repeat myself. 5 World title fights, 3 of which were against the same man, and 2 defences. That's all he has done. His best opponents are Wladmir, Wilder, Whyte and Chisora. Cunningham is a good name at cruiserweight but didn't do much at heavy and he arguably lost the first John McDermot fight.

He has to show more if he wants to go down as the king of the division who reigned over everyone.
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This not going to happened as we all know to many belts and 2 fight in one year plus contract little print.
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
That's one of the many problems I have with the peoples champion
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He's only the peoples champion when it benefits his own pocket. I don't blame him, make money whilst you can as it's only a short career. But I do find those who either ignore it or don't see what he's doing curious.

Have you noticed the slow transformation he's done over the years? When the BBBoC stripped him of his licence and banned him cause he popped dirty (isn't it funny how the one who calls everyone bodybuilders is the one who actually got caught cheating!) he said he'd never fight in the UK again. At that point he was a very proud travelling man, nothing wrong with that either, but he made all these claims about how he didn't need to fight in the UK as he is a road warrior. Fair enough, he backed that up by proving he could go to Germany and also America.

Then AJ made that BLM speech that some people are willingly twisting to say he was racist but that's a different conversation. But around this point suddenly Fury stopped bringing up traveller issues or being a spokesperson for them as a community. Then Kinahan and MTK get targeted by the FBI and as Fury was represented by the mob-boss, he gets banned from entry to his 'new home' in Vegas and America in general. Now he is no longer allowed entry to the US he suddenly cares about fighting in Britain again and the British public he turned his back on. Now he comes out dressed as St George and being draped in the Union Jack and finds it important to bring the belts back to the UK.

Tyson Fury is a brilliant fighter but he's an even smarter business man. Everything he does is calculated and by god is he good at it. He saw AJ lost a segment of fans and he knew he could hoover them up and that is exactly what he did.

Now he has a reputation of being 'the peoples champ', giving away fight purses to charity and somehow finding a homeless man in LA that had no shoes but fortunately he must've been the same size as Tyson as he gave him the shoes off his own feet. What a man, right?
 
Completely agree and your points articulated well :)

As you say he's a good fighter but he's a walking contradiction which, as you have already alluded to has mugged off the division for many a year.
 
chroniclard said:
"Influencer boxers" :cry:
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That was a disgrace to boxing. To have the cheek to put that on PPV is mind blowing. I could only stomach a bit of it before switching off. And the fact it was a sell out is even funnier. Proves just how many gullible people there are. Probably no real interest in boxing, it’s just that following the YouTubers is the cool thing to do.
 
robfosters said:
That was a disgrace to boxing. To have the cheek to put that on PPV is mind blowing. I could only stomach a bit of it before switching off. And the fact it was a sell out is even funnier. Proves just how many gullible people they are. Probably no real interest in boxing, it’s just that following the YouTubers is the cool thing to do.
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Was bored so watched it, I only knew one person......couple of them could box a bit, most were basically bum fights. :cry:
 
I don't have beef with these YouTube fights. Boxing is fundamentally entertainment and while these YouTuber fights are probably less skilled than White Collar boxers, they are ultimately still getting in the ring and having a scrap.

If even 1% of those watching these fights finds out they have a genuine interesting in boxing, that's a good thing. It grows the sport. There may be a kid influenced by Jake Paul or KSI to lace some gloves up and give it a go and that's not something that should be brushed away.

If it provides entertainment, what's the issue? I have no interest in it or with any of the people competing so it wasn't for me so I haven't watched it but what I do find interesting is the numbers these people can pull in. They had something like 3 million people watching the weigh in alone. That's bonkers.


Edit: had a lovely double negative
 
i 100% agree with junglist

Its the equivalent of supporting a premiership football team then knocking amateur or low league football, expecting a quality fight is your fault not the promoters, it is what it is
 
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