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Yeah I wasn't impressed with how they didn't warn Rivas prior to the bout. Once, I can forgive but twice it seems like something that probably happens a lot more and they just happened to get caught out.
I love the message to young and upcoming fighters though. "Don't cheat... unless you manage to build a big name for yourself and are able to make promoters and sanctioning bodies a lot of money... then you can cheat... but don't mess it up for all of us and get caught. Time your cycles ffs"
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And screw the clean athletes? Who then protects the cheats from themselves? I mean take classic example of Lance Armstrong, intravenous drips in hotel rooms having to put the heating on in hotel rooms even though its 30 outside because of how cold the new blood was
Testing, at the very least, prevents extreme drug abuse. Look at cycling that is relatively clean now, or it is compared to the Lance days where even sprinters were going over mountain climbs like they were nothing.
Little bit off topic but this book is a good read on doping https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Race-Inside-Cover-ups-Winning/dp/055216917X
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And screw the clean athletes? Who then protects the cheats from themselves? I mean take classic example of Lance Armstrong, intravenous drips in hotel rooms having to put the heating on in hotel rooms even though its 30 outside because of how cold the new blood was
Testing, at the very least, prevents extreme drug abuse. Look at cycling that is relatively clean now, or it is compared to the Lance days where even sprinters were going over mountain climbs like they were nothing.
Little bit off topic but this book is a good read on doping https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Race-Inside-Cover-ups-Winning/dp/055216917X
Ddn't the top 6 cyclists or whatever end up also being done for the same thing? After Lance got pulled up for it?
Aren't the clean athletes getting screwed over now anyway? Perhaps have a belt for natural and a belt for the others. They have natural shows in bodybuilding, for example. You could still protect extreme drug use, in fact it would be safer if people were open about what they were taking.
We know the testing can be circumvented currently. I'd hazard a guess that more of the top guys are doing it than aren't.
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The problem is with vada. If a person has a positive test, vada only have to notify the fighters and promoters, not the governing body.
So do you trust the fighters and promoters to disclose the information to the relevant parties? Doubt it. Do you trust the organisation such as the WBC to do it? Doubt it. It’s opened eyes because it doesn’t matter how stringent the testing is, if those testing have no authority or power to police it.
So do you trust the fighters and promoters to disclose the information to the relevant parties? Doubt it. Do you trust the organisation such as the WBC to do it? Doubt it. It’s opened eyes because it doesn’t matter how stringent the testing is, if those testing have no authority or power to police it.
And screw the clean athletes? Who then protects the cheats from themselves? I mean take classic example of Lance Armstrong, intravenous drips in hotel rooms having to put the heating on in hotel rooms even though its 30 outside because of how cold the new blood was
Testing, at the very least, prevents extreme drug abuse. Look at cycling that is relatively clean now, or it is compared to the Lance days where even sprinters were going over mountain climbs like they were nothing.
Little bit off topic but this book is a good read on doping https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Race-Inside-Cover-ups-Winning/dp/055216917X
Hatman made a good point about why PEDS shouldn't be legal from a fairness standpoint. If you were able to go free reign on drugs, it then becomes a sport of who can afford the best product. When no one can use drugs it levels the playing field as it doesn't favour who can get the best juice
Why would it need to be free reign? Just allow a controlled amount.
I appreciate I'm being simplistic here but I'd argue the current system is unfair.
Then again, life is unfair.
The current field isn't fair as you can get around it.
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Because a controlled amount may still put those fighters who are less well off at a disadvantage. Being beaten by someone because they were more skilled or could maybe afford a better trainer is one thing. Being beaten because they had cash that gave them access to benefits you don't have, that isn't fair.
Sport is ultimately about fairness. While some will and do cheat, it's not fair to those who try to compete cleanly.
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Nigel Benn is a legend but he never was the sharpest tool in the box. Great fighter and great attitude but you wouldn't him advising your kids in anything but boxing!
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No, if you watch the documentary he said ask me if I took recreational drugs - I took them all
PED's nah that's not my style, anyone that knows me will tell you that.Edit Timestamped at the relevant time
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Have a natty belt and a drug belt then. The sport isn't short of belts
I'd say this is fairer than current.
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Just to put it into context though. We have a guy coming from WW upto MW, so if he’s been taking steroids he hasn’t necessarily taken an advantage over his opponent. It’s not like 2 natural MW’s and one’s clean and ones taking PD’s.
Perhaps the punishment needs to be more strict and the findings made public and not allowing fighters like Tyson Fury to play the mental health card whilst he’s serving a ban for steroids. The BBBof C should have to be notified and act upon failed test done by other agencies such as vada. Otherwise they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot. Any fight that fails an A sample should automatically be suspended until the B sample is tested. No ifs and not buts.
Perhaps the punishment needs to be more strict and the findings made public and not allowing fighters like Tyson Fury to play the mental health card whilst he’s serving a ban for steroids. The BBBof C should have to be notified and act upon failed test done by other agencies such as vada. Otherwise they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot. Any fight that fails an A sample should automatically be suspended until the B sample is tested. No ifs and not buts.
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Yes you right.
Watched Lewis Holyfield 1 & 2. The first has to be one of the biggest upsets ever. Did Holyfield underestimate Lewis? He certainly turned up for the second.
Could someone recommend some classic Lewis fights to watch please? Saw bits of the Vitali fight which was good but Lewis was past his prime.
Also, thoughts about Vitali? Could have been one of the best ever, had he not been injury prone?
Could someone recommend some classic Lewis fights to watch please? Saw bits of the Vitali fight which was good but Lewis was past his prime.
Also, thoughts about Vitali? Could have been one of the best ever, had he not been injury prone?
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Tyson Fury 'reaches agreement' for December 3 fight after AJ collapse
Tyson Fury is set to defend his WBC world heavyweight title on December 3 in Cardiff.
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His fight against Shannon Briggs was a banger, has maybe my favourite Lewis moment of all time in there.
The Bruno fight was charged and worth a watch as well.
The thing with Lewis was you either got solid performances over 12 rounds where he just fought to a level and out boxed everyone, or he went in meaning business and smoked people (Ruddock, Grant, Golota). Very deserving of being considered the best of that era and one of the GOATs.
It's a shame Bowe ducked him at the time, that could have been a ridiculous fight.
Vitali had unfortunate timing, a few years earlier and he might have been mixing it with better quality opposition that could have boosted his standing. He was probably the best of his period, but it's one that I think a lot of people would consider a weak era in heavyweight boxing, especially following on from what we were gifted in the 90s.