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I dont think the board have anything to answer for they said fight cant go ahead its the promoters who need taking to task for trying to ignore the test and push ahead with the fight and benn needs a lifetime ban
 
The_One said:
I dont think the board have anything to answer for they said fight cant go ahead its the promoters who need taking to task for trying to ignore the test and push ahead with the fight and benn needs a lifetime ban
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The board have known about it too. They pulled support once the story broke yesterday.

Why does Benn need a lifetime ban?
 
Doobedoo said:
The board have known about it too. They pulled support once the story broke yesterday.

Why does Benn need a lifetime ban?
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Because hes a dirty drugs cheat :confused: and hes stepping into a ring where people can get serious damage or even die

Its not like hes a sprinter who might run faster
 
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The_One said:
Because hes a dirty drugs cheat :confused:
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He hasn’t been found guilty…. Yet

Fury was guilty but he still fights.

Yes. In June 2016, just a month before Fury’s proposed rematch with Klitschko in Manchester, UK Anti-Doping suspended him due to an adverse finding. The suspension was not revealed until later in the year but Fury had already pulled out of the rematch due to an ankle injury.

Pending a hearing and appeal, Ukad said that both Fury and his cousin Hughie Fury had returned samples with elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites after their fights in February 2015. (Hughie had beaten Andriy Rudenko in Monaco before Tyson overcame Christian Hammer a week later in London.) Tyson Fury was also later charged with failing to provide a sample in September 2016, although that allegation was eventually dropped.
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In December 2017, both Ukad and representatives of the two boxers released a joint statement which explained that they had “agreed to resolve the proceedings”. The settlement banned both men for two years, a suspension that was backdated to the point of the adverse findings, meaning that they were free to fight again. It stated that:

  • The anti-doping rule violations based on the reported presence of elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites are upheld
  • The refusal charge is withdrawn
  • Both men each receive a two-year period of ineligibility, and their results from their respective fights in February 2015 are disqualified
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Doobedoo said:
Adam booth presumably is just making an assumption but for sure it’s quite possible. Now if it had been kept from Eubanks side then it’s a travesty but all parties were aware and willing to go though with it.

I think it looks much worse than it is but obviously people just see him as a cheat no matter what now. BBBofC have got a lot to answer for and the fans have been treated appallingly. What a mess.
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What other reason could there be other than that though? The b sample hasn't been tested still, why not? As for Eubank being willing to go through with the fight, it's correctly not his choice. The boxing board are there to make decisions on these things, to make sure fights are safe to go ahead because fighters are clearly conflicted.

As for Benn, you're right a lot of people have and will just label him as a cheat without waiting for the facts but until the facts come out and he's cleared, there's no way he should be allowed to fight. And on the board, unless it comes out that they knew about this a lot longer than the last few days (something I've not seen reported) then what have they done wrong? They informed the promoters that they weren't sanctioning the fight on the evening of the 4th, before the story became public.

Hearn's a vulture. He talks a good game but his view is dependent on what suits him on any given day. Just days before it's reported that this positive test came back, Hearn was on twitter arguing about why Buatsi wouldn't take the Jean Pascal fight and what was his reason? Because Pascal wouldn't agree to VADA testing in their contract. It's been linked multiple times already but then there's the video of him after BJS failed a VADA test against one of his fighters. Hearn regularly uses VADA testing as a stick to beat rivals when it suits him but as soon as one of his fighters fails a VADA test then it's not important and the board have no place sticking their nose in. In Hearn's own words, why do VADA testing if you're not going to respect the results? At least Eubank was informed, unlike Rivas when Whyte failed a test.

It's difficult to see beyond what Booth suggested. They've kept the news of this failed test under wraps for as long as possible, leaving no time for the B sample to be tested so that Benn was free to fight and they've done this because it was too big a fight for Matchroom and DAZN.
Doobedoo said:
The board have known about it too. They pulled support once the story broke yesterday.

Why does Benn need a lifetime ban?
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As above, the board's statement says they pulled the plug on the 4th, the story broke on the 5th.
 
Doobedoo said:
Like I said I’ve been flipping back and forth. This B sample needs testing asap. What a bloody mess.
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B sample will just prove it nothing else

The b sample is not going to be negative theb sample is the exact same urine sample as the a

They pee in a pot this is then Sub divided into a and b
 
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The_One said:
Look up how many b samples have been negative after a sample was positive :)
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I’m not disagreeing I’m just stating facts. You had an A and a B sample for a reason both sample need to be tested to rule out contamination or a false positive.

If he’s juicing then he absolutely needs dealing with.
 
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None of it is.

Who has the over riding responsibility here. Someone has to investigate exactly what has happened and something needs to be done about it all. And not just this fight, every fight going forward.
 
No one, bar CEJ, is looking great out of this. BBBoC have a lot to answer if its true that they knew about the result weeks ago and only made a fuss due to the news getting out to the public. As the boxing authority of the country, they should've acted on this immediately

Hearn is looking a bit slimy. I actually like Hearn and whenever he has a hour long sit down with Kugan, I watch it. I just like listening to the guy talk and as a promoter he always seemed a bit better than his peers. This though? This has really changed my view on him. He knew about the result weeks ago but no doubt tried to get the fight to go ahead. Made a huge fuss about the Pascal/Buatsi final eliminator not having VADA testing in the contract and used that as an excuse to pull JB out of the fight but that was only a few weeks back so he must've known about Conor's failed VADA test. Then trying to take the BBBoC to court to get the fight to go ahead? It's not sitting right with me at all.

I can give Kalle a pass because he is only loyal to a bag of Columbian marching powder but I still think it was wrong he was willing to put his fighter in whilst there an ongoing situation regarding doping.

We're not in the Don King days with the fighters being ripped off as badly as they used to be but it's evident the promoters still exploit them and care mostly about their bottom line.
 
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Junglist said:
No one, bar CEJ, is looking great out of this. BBBoC have a lot to answer if its true that they knew about the result weeks ago and only made a fuss due to the news getting out to the public. As the boxing authority of the country, they should've acted on this immediately

Hearn is looking a bit slimy. I actually like Hearn and whenever he has a hour long sit down with Kugan, I watch it. I just like listening to the guy talk and as a promoter he always seemed a bit better than his peers. This though? This has really changed my view on him. He knew about the result weeks ago but no doubt tried to get the fight to go ahead. Made a huge fuss about the Pascal/Buatsi final eliminator not having VADA testing in the contract and used that as an excuse to pull JB out of the fight but that was only a few weeks back so he must've known about Conor's failed VADA test. Then trying to take the BBBoC to court to get the fight to go ahead? It's not sitting right with me at all.

I can give Kalle a pass because he is only loyal to a bag of Columbian marching powder but I still think it was wrong he was willing to put his fighter in whilst there an ongoing situation regarding doping.

We're not in the Don King days with the fighters being ripped off as badly as they used to be but it's evident the promoters still exploit them and care mostly about their bottom line.
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As ususal, you have summarised it quite well for me. As you say Hearn and BBBoC have a lot to answer to for. Why have a VADA test in addition to official testing? Surely that only serves to dilute the confidence of the official testing, what other reason is there to have VADA?
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
As ususal, you have summarised it quite well for me. As you say Hearn and BBBoC have a lot to answer to for. Why have a VADA test in addition to official testing? Surely that only serves to dilute the confidence of the official testing, what other reason is there to have VADA?
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From what I understand, UKAD testing is a bit **** and that's why for these big fights they insist on VADA testing being part of the contract. I linked the video yesterday but reportedly, Benn was only tested once by UKAD in the entire build-up.

In regards to this changing your opinion of Hearn @Junglist, this isn't the first time Hearn has done something like this. Dillian Whyte tested positive in the build up to the Rivas fight - in that instance they managed to keep it quiet until after the fight had happened and didn't even inform Rivas of the positive test. Whyte was subsequently cleared of any wrong doing but that doesn't change just how scummy he and Hearn behaved.
 
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