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Psycho Ned said:
Think Joyce has to take the rematch really otherwise where else does he go? Come in a bit heavier to try hurt him and move his ******* head a bit!

I'd be concerned about how little joy he had in any round though, never even slightly looked like troubling him.
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I don't think extra weight really helps him. Tonight's the quickest I've ever seen him and he was still ridiculously easy to hit. The extra weight might stop him being bullied so easily but his punches will be even slower and he'll be even easier to hit.

He's 37 and has absolutely no head movement or defence so there's plenty his trainer can work on, covering his head when opponents try and punch him is probably a good place to start.
 
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Disappointed, but not entirely surprised as this was always a possibility at any point in his career given his style/skillset. The fact that his greatest strength is a granite chin has always been a glaring red flag to me. He's grown on me in recent fights but this is probably the reality check that he'd get rings danced around him against the likes of Fury/Usyk.

Zhang I thought was robbed in his last fight, he seems to have gone under the radar for a lot of people, still he made that look easy work tonight.

Those scorecards were a disgrace as usual, we might be the worst of the lot for the 'home advantage/bigger name' nonsense.
 
Psycho Ned said:
Think Joyce has to take the rematch really otherwise where else does he go? Come in a bit heavier to try hurt him and move his ******* head a bit!

I'd be concerned about how little joy he had in any round though, never even slightly looked like troubling him.
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The rematch ends the same.He has the worse defence ever,and Zhang hits too hard,and was catching most of Joyce's punches on the gloves
 
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Joyce always starts slow. He can’t do that vs Zhang (or any top HW) as he will get punished and not have enough left to finish the fight. Sorry to say but I think he found his level and at his age I don’t see a trainer been able to change his habits.

Zhang looked good but let’s be honest many people look good working the heavy bags.

Would like to see Zheng’s next fight as he could surprise a few gatekeeper HWs out there.
 
Quinnaay said:
He can, but if he loses it’s over. It’s a very risky fight and a tough fight that didn’t suit him.
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He’ll want his mandatory status back so it’s a risk worth taking. He fought the wrong fight, was fighting a southpaw which is always trickier and Zhang is better than people realise.

Joe will be back he’s one of the few in the heavyweight division that consistently take on challenges. I’ll be shocked if we don’t see a rematch.
 
Watching the fight back this morning, it's good the doctor stopped it when he did. Joyce was in danger of getting seriously hurt as well as being involved in the biggest boxing controversy for a long time. Hopefully there's an investigation in to the scoring and the judge that had him a round up never judges again.
 
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Pigeon_Killer said:
Watching the fight back this morning, it's good the doctor stopped it when he did. Joyce was in danger of getting seriously hurt as well as being involved in the biggest boxing controversy for a long time. Hopefully there's an investigation in to the scoring and the judge that had him a round up never judges again.
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There was a lot of money involved and that would be involved.

Boxing is so corrupt to the point where it's borderline ridiculous now.

At that level
 
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Doobedoo said:
He’ll want his mandatory status back so it’s a risk worth taking. He fought the wrong fight, was fighting a southpaw which is always trickier and Zhang is better than people realise.

Joe will be back he’s one of the few in the heavyweight division that consistently take on challenges. I’ll be shocked if we don’t see a rematch.
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Well its got a heart but skills its something else.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Watching the fight back this morning, it's good the doctor stopped it when he did. Joyce was in danger of getting seriously hurt as well as being involved in the biggest boxing controversy for a long time. Hopefully there's an investigation in to the scoring and the judge that had him a round up never judges again.
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Great care needs to be taken especially with guys this size. Getting knocked out clean is one thing, but taking a prolonged panning… I’d of given Joyce another round then called it, but only because of the mandatory position. No problems with the stoppage at all.

The scoring is a little harder to agree with. Zhang’s technique of catching shots was a little tricky to fully appreciate. If you scored most of those shots for Joyce then maybe it’s close.

Decent fight wasn’t a million miles between them. Without the injury I think Zhang would have faced a much harder second half.
 
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jigger said:
Great care needs to be taken especially with guys this size. Getting knocked out clean is one thing, but taking a prolonged panning… I’d of given Joyce another round then called it, but only because of the mandatory position. No problems with the stoppage at all.

The scoring is a little harder to agree with. Zhang’s technique of catching shots was a little tricky to fully appreciate. If you scored most of those shots for Joyce then maybe it’s close.

Decent fight wasn’t a million miles between them. Without the injury I think Zhang would have faced a much harder second half.
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Yes, if Zhang hadn’t hit Joyce, Joyce would have had a better chance.

Joyce starts slow and has no defence.
I would like to see him take the rematch and win but I don’t see how he changes his boxing style and learns better foot work and head movement in his mid thirties before the rematch.
 
It’s funny how it pans out, yesterday Joyce is a top 5 dangerous and avoided fighter, this morning he’s better off retiring. Lol.

He’ll be back and I’d back him to win the rematch. He was favourite for a reason but just didn’t perform on the night. If he’s actually fought the fight people were expecting him to fight then he would’ve won down the back stretch as his superior engine would’ve allowed him to wear down and stop him. Such is life.
 
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Zhang was definitely slowing and ‘if’ Joyce was still there in a few more rounds he’d have been favourite. But Zhang didn’t need to be there in a few more rounds cos he’d done the damage he aimed to do!

Blocking shots with your face isn’t a good long term career plan! Certainly not for your later life eating shots from these massive guys even if you do have an iron chin you don’t have an iron brain.

I do wonder if he’ll do into a David Price esque nosedive in his career now the invincibility has gone. Price was banging out guys left right and centre until he didn’t against Tony Thompson and he was never the same after that.
 
Doobedoo said:
It’s funny how it pans out, yesterday Joyce is a top 5 dangerous and avoided fighter, this morning he’s better off retiring. Lol.

He’ll be back and I’d back him to win the rematch. He was favourite for a reason but just didn’t perform on the night. If he’s actually fought the fight people were expecting him to fight then he would’ve won down the back stretch as his superior engine would’ve allowed him to wear down and stop him. Such is life.
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But he gets hit often and relies on his chin. Zhang hits hard. How’s does this change in the rematch ?

I am not suggesting he retire but I never saw him as a world class fighter either.
 
=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Yes, if Zhang hadn’t hit Joyce, Joyce would have had a better chance.

Joyce starts slow and has no defence.
I would like to see him take the rematch and win but I don’t see how he changes his boxing style and learns better foot work and head movement in his mid thirties before the rematch.
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His team can train head movement and a better defence but I doubt he has the hand speed to switch from defence to offense without getting caught just as easily as he did last night.

I've no idea what his game plan was but the idea that his chin can get him through fights is in tatters. He got rocked multiple times in the first two rounds and although Zhang appears to be a big puncher, Joyce made it way too easy for him and I don't see that changing if he comes in heavier in a rematch.

Zhang's struggled with much smaller HW's so I could see Usyk dominating him on points, an actual big puncher like Wilder putting him in his grave and Fury could beat him with one hand tied behind his back. I see Joyce, I see a fighter of the level of Matt Skelton.

Edit: Beat me too it :D
 
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=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
But he gets hit often and relies on his chin. Zhang hits hard. How’s does this change in the rematch ?

I am not suggesting he retire but I never saw him as a world class fighter either.
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He needs to fight differently. For example he was circling to his right which was directly onto Zhang’s back hand, so you’d go the other way. Target the body, chop that tree, use your strength’s to your advantage l. Find a way to get his jab going as Zhang and his southpaw stance had pretty much taken it away from him. Fight at a shorter distance, take away Zhang strongest punch the straight left and tire him out.

A different game plan is all that’s needed and although Zhang hit him pretty easily if it wasn’t for the Eye Joyce would’ve started to take over down the back stretch.

Take nothing away from Zhang he fought a perfect fight, Joyce didn’t. We’ll have to wait and see I guess.
 
Remember it’s easier for a southpaw to fight an orthodox fighter than it is the other way round. Joyce after the fight said it’s been a while since he had fought a southpaw, where as Zhang will predominately fight orthodox fighters.

Hrgovic also struggled as AJ did with Usyk. Sometimes though styles just make fights maybe Zhangs style is just wrong for Joyce?
 
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Judging by Joyce's post fight interview with TalkSport, it doesn't sound like he fancies the rematch anytime soon and I don't really blame him. Short of Joyce completely reinventing himself, it's difficult to see how the fight plays out any differently meaning Joyce is just hoping Zhang tires before he's taken Joyce out. The only reason to take the rematch would be to get his mandatory spot back but who knows when that's getting called and the ship could have sailed by the time his eye's healed and the rematch has taken place.

Given his age and the stage of his career, he's probably better off chasing some bigger money fights vs somebody like Dillian Whyte and then seeing where the land lies from there.
 
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