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The AJ v Wilder fight boils down to who lands that punch first. It’s that simple
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He's going to have to bring a very different gameplan against Wilder to get anything other than retirement out of the fight. Doesn't have the durability or gas tank to avoid Wilder for 12 rounds he will need to stop him.
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Wilder, probably lands the second and third as well.
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Wilder will easily land first...
Wilder needs to get him in the ring ASAP to get max money from it
Wilder needs to get him in the ring ASAP to get max money from it
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Whyte could well have beaten him tonight
I don't think so.
I think the Wilder fight will at least be exciting. He won't be able to take his time like he did tonight. It will be exciting and AJ has a punchers chance but realistically he's over complicated the game where he used to be quite instinctive. Tonight will have helped him but he really lacks the belief to be convincing.
Can't decide if Joshua deliberately took some punches and delayed the inevitable or genuinely couldn't find that right hand (or if he was 'aiming' for a specific round) but what I can decide was it wasn't worth staying up for! Chisora fight was a disappointment too.
I think it was a decent showing considering Robert is nothing like Dillian in either fighting style or body shape. I think AJ shown a lot of patience. He has him hurt in the third and could’ve jumped on him but he’s obviously still got that fight against Ruiz in the back of his mind.
As for those of you saying it’s a foregone conclusion that Wilder beats him what are you basing it off? Wilder obviously has a better straight right than Joshua but other than that, he is second best in every aspect. Whenever Wilder has come up against a fighter more skilled than him he struggles until he lands his equaliser. What’s to say that AJ doesn’t land first? He may not have the one punch power that Wilder posses but he can certainly put wilder away just as much as wilder could put him away.
The difference for me is confidence. Wilder truly believes in himself whereas AJ has an air of self doubt about him.
It is and always has been a 50:50 for me but I lean towards AJ more.
As for those of you saying it’s a foregone conclusion that Wilder beats him what are you basing it off? Wilder obviously has a better straight right than Joshua but other than that, he is second best in every aspect. Whenever Wilder has come up against a fighter more skilled than him he struggles until he lands his equaliser. What’s to say that AJ doesn’t land first? He may not have the one punch power that Wilder posses but he can certainly put wilder away just as much as wilder could put him away.
The difference for me is confidence. Wilder truly believes in himself whereas AJ has an air of self doubt about him.
It is and always has been a 50:50 for me but I lean towards AJ more.
This, 100%.
AJ needs to have enough confidence to bully and brawl with Wilder, we've all seen how much Wilder struggles when he's in with someone who can really brawl and bully and throw their weight around...
If he can let himself go, I think he stands every chance - but with his current cagey approach, trying to box and jab wilder at range - he'll get caught with one of those mental shots.
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It's AJs new hesitation that I now think it's a closer fight than it was before. Until Ruiz Jr entered the chat I would've been a confident 65:35 in AJs favour where as now I think it's more 50:50. Who lands first and what does Wilder have left after those two beatings from Fury.
It's easy to get carried away with Wilder's KO highlight reels because they are spectacular, he just puts people to sleep like a heavyweight Julian Jackson. Then you look at who he actually faced and think how many of those, even during his championship reign, would AJ not have done the same to? How many of the people that Wilder beat during his reign would Chisora have failed to beat - can't be bothered to check their common opponents but I know for sure Washington and Spilzka were and Chisora dealt with both. I'd argue until the knock out of Washington Chisora was dealing with both better than Wilder but I could be thinking of a different fight. The only one I'd think Chisora would struggle with would be Luiz but even then Wilder had outside help from the Doctor!
In the last 4 fights we've seen AJ lose all of his belts and change trainer, then improve but still come up short against the consensus pound for pound #3 fighter and arguably the greatest Cruiserweight of all time, change trainer again and box to orders quite comfortably twice one of those times being against an opponent different from your original in almost every way.
I genuinely think a confident AJ deals with Wilder quite easily. Though as long as he has this look where he's really trying to swim without getting wet, I wouldn't at all be shocked to see Wilder place him into the shadow realm.
It's easy to get carried away with Wilder's KO highlight reels because they are spectacular, he just puts people to sleep like a heavyweight Julian Jackson. Then you look at who he actually faced and think how many of those, even during his championship reign, would AJ not have done the same to? How many of the people that Wilder beat during his reign would Chisora have failed to beat - can't be bothered to check their common opponents but I know for sure Washington and Spilzka were and Chisora dealt with both. I'd argue until the knock out of Washington Chisora was dealing with both better than Wilder but I could be thinking of a different fight. The only one I'd think Chisora would struggle with would be Luiz but even then Wilder had outside help from the Doctor!
In the last 4 fights we've seen AJ lose all of his belts and change trainer, then improve but still come up short against the consensus pound for pound #3 fighter and arguably the greatest Cruiserweight of all time, change trainer again and box to orders quite comfortably twice one of those times being against an opponent different from your original in almost every way.
I genuinely think a confident AJ deals with Wilder quite easily. Though as long as he has this look where he's really trying to swim without getting wet, I wouldn't at all be shocked to see Wilder place him into the shadow realm.
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Wilder beat Helenius with a short right hook in his last fight within 3 minutes. That's an Helenius who had trained for the fight and wasn't brought in with a weeks notice.
The Fury fight undoubtedly took a lot out of Wilder but he's still fearless and he still Windmills without worrying what his opponent might throw back.
The reason people are now heavily siding with Wilder is because of AJ's hesitation, he simply can't go in to this fight worrying he might get caught but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he won't do that since the Ruiz fight. Add the complete lack of head and foot movement and it doesn't look like a good night out for AJ.
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You realise Wilder and Helenius have sparred 100s of rounds together and Wilder would’ve had a full camp for him and not someone different?
The fights aren’t comparable. It’s like arguing why Molina took Wilder 8 or so rounds to finish whilst also getting close to being stopped himself. AJ dealt with him in 3 rounds. Styles make fights. Also having a full camp to prepare would have helped
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Why, you stated why yourself.
AJ looks utterly terrified now against mid tier opponents. Imagine how terrified he's going to be about Wilders power. Wilder should end AJ's night within 5 rounds but kudos for AJ for chasing it. It's probably his last big payday. AJ's done, but the lack of anyone actually wanting to fight anyone else is prolonging his career by years.
Has the heavyweight division ever been as miserable and as sorry as this? Joshua looked awful for the most part, Tyson is just a bum and more interested in money than having a meaningful fight, no-one wants to fight Usyk and Wilder is still being thrown in the mix despite him having his shot
I just feel with the clown show that is YouTube boxing combined with the state of the heavyweight division, boxings rep is just getting battered at the moment. Appreciate there's some good stuff in the other divisions, but still...
I just feel with the clown show that is YouTube boxing combined with the state of the heavyweight division, boxings rep is just getting battered at the moment. Appreciate there's some good stuff in the other divisions, but still...
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I do believe AJs lack of confidence in himself at the moment is what causes the fight to be closer than it actually is. A fully confident AJ and he makes like work of Wilder.
I feel some of you either have very short memories or haven't actually watched any of Wilder's fights beyond the KO. He consistently has issues with fighters less skilled than AJ and often gets caught with shots. While it's very true Wilder will be one of the biggest punchers he's faced (there's a debate around that. Do people forget what happened after Klit landed that perfect shot on him) it's also true that AJ will be the biggest puncher Wilder has faced.
If a fighter like Molina is able to give Wilder issues before Wilder is able to land on him why do people find it so hard to conceive that AJ wouldn't be able to land?
Make no mistake. I am an AJ fan so there is bias in my posts but I'm also being objective. Of course, Wilder has the power and ability to land his fight ending shot on AJ but I feel like people are forgetting AJ will also be throwing punches back and his counters are very effective.
Wilder's KO's almost nearly come against the run of play. The way some are acting is as if Wilder is some spectre in the ring who doesn't get hit and just has to touch people. He stops most of his opponents around rounds 6-8. He doesn't just walk into the ring, dodge every punch then land his hammer.
My feelings are: If AJ can get up from a punch like that from Wladamir who's to say he can't get up from a shot like that against Wilder and if someone like Fury can put Wilder down why would you think AJ also can't put him down if he lands clean?
Then when you take in activity into consideration. Wilder is 38 and will have fought 1 round in 2 years.
This fight is not a foregone conclusion. If anything having a less confident AJ makes it more interesting in my eyes. Though I still wish it happened a few years ago but that's boxing for you!
Yep, he'll need to shake that hesitancy he currently has. It must be difficult. Fans want the AJ that was wreckless and walking forwards but after that heavy drop for Wladmir you can see he opted for a safety first style. It's not as exciting but I'm liking the improvements. He shown great footwork and his head is now moving off centre much more naturally. We're not getting that version of AJ again. He's more circumspect. It's not me taking the punches he is taking so of course as a fan I want to see him a bit more aggressive but it looks like he wants longevity to his career. He learnt the worst parts (for a fan, not for himself) from Wladamir's approach
I'd say the period where the Klitschko bothers dominated the top was the worst period of heavyweight boxing that I have witnessed. The issue is one of the heavyweight champions seems allergic to fighting.
The other divisions are great at the moment