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Junglist said:
I do believe AJs lack of confidence in himself at the moment is what causes the fight to be closer than it actually is. A fully confident AJ and he makes like work of Wilder.

I feel some of you either have very short memories or haven't actually watched any of Wilder's fights beyond the KO. He consistently has issues with fighters less skilled than AJ and often gets caught with shots. While it's very true Wilder will be one of the biggest punchers he's faced (there's a debate around that. Do people forget what happened after Klit landed that perfect shot on him) it's also true that AJ will be the biggest puncher Wilder has faced.


If a fighter like Molina is able to give Wilder issues before Wilder is able to land on him why do people find it so hard to conceive that AJ wouldn't be able to land?

Make no mistake. I am an AJ fan so there is bias in my posts but I'm also being objective. Of course, Wilder has the power and ability to land his fight ending shot on AJ but I feel like people are forgetting AJ will also be throwing punches back and his counters are very effective.

Wilder's KO's almost nearly come against the run of play. The way some are acting is as if Wilder is some spectre in the ring who doesn't get hit and just has to touch people. He stops most of his opponents around rounds 6-8. He doesn't just walk into the ring, dodge every punch then land his hammer.

My feelings are: If AJ can get up from a punch like that from Wladamir who's to say he can't get up from a shot like that against Wilder and if someone like Fury can put Wilder down why would you think AJ also can't put him down if he lands clean?

Then when you take in activity into consideration. Wilder is 38 and will have fought 1 round in 2 years.

This fight is not a foregone conclusion. If anything having a less confident AJ makes it more interesting in my eyes. Though I still wish it happened a few years ago but that's boxing for you!



Yep, he'll need to shake that hesitancy he currently has. It must be difficult. Fans want the AJ that was wreckless and walking forwards but after that heavy drop for Wladmir you can see he opted for a safety first style. It's not as exciting but I'm liking the improvements. He shown great footwork and his head is now moving off centre much more naturally. We're not getting that version of AJ again. He's more circumspect. It's not me taking the punches he is taking so of course as a fan I want to see him a bit more aggressive but it looks like he wants longevity to his career. He learnt the worst parts (for a fan, not for himself) from Wladamir's approach



I'd say the period where the Klitschko bothers dominated the top was the worst period of heavyweight boxing that I have witnessed. The issue is one of the heavyweight champions seems allergic to fighting.

The other divisions are great at the moment
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Good post.
We can all be guilty of having short term memories. I do wonder if AJ reflects on the first Ruiz fight where he was on top, got careless and got buzzed but continued to try and trade with his opponent before he had recovered. A better defensive boxer would perhaps been able to change strategy in the fight and not take the loss. Ruiz 2 was completely low risk and get the belts back and since then we've seen AJ schooled by Usyk twice, albeit slightly less so in the second fight. AJ probably feels he is becoming a more rounded fighter. One that is able to have a plan B.

Wilder has no plan B beyond the first round of a fight when in Fury 3 he actually boxed quite well for 3 minutes.

You raise good points about Wilder's age and activity levels. He's gassed badly in a lot of fights where he didn't get the quick KO and it's too late for him to change his style. For me its a 50:50 fight. Fury had the mass to tie up Wilder and wear him down. Wilders punches seem to travel a long way so fighting inside is a smart strategy but one that AJ will not employ. Key for AJ is - can he avoid a bomb for long enough for Wilder to exhaust himself and pick him apart. That's clearly what he's working on but I still think his lack of lateral movement makes him an easy target. Whatever, it will be exciting.

The Saudi money has ruined the Heavyweight division at world level but it could be awesome at the UK domestic / 2nd tier level. There are a lot of up and coming fighters who could easily populate a tournament like the super 6.
 
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Good post.
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Thank you :)

We can all be guilty of having short term memories. I do wonder if AJ reflects on the first Ruiz fight where he was on top, got careless and got buzzed but continued to try and trade with his opponent before he had recovered. A better defensive boxer would perhaps been able to change strategy in the fight and not take the loss. Ruiz 2 was completely low risk and get the belts back and since then we've seen AJ schooled by Usyk twice, albeit slightly less so in the second fight. AJ probably feels he is becoming a more rounded fighter. One that is able to have a plan B.
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Those Usyk losses would've taught him so much. There is no shame in going 24 rounds with #3 on the pound-for-pound list and for sure a future hall of famer. He would've certainly learned a hard lesson from that Ruiz fight with regards to rushing in and finishing a fighter who wasn't ready to go. It has though perhaps gone a step too far with overthinking rather than fighting on instinct

Wilder has no plan B beyond the first round of a fight when in Fury 3 he actually boxed quite well for 3 minutes.
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I was really impressed with what he did in the third fight. Issue was he packed on a lot of muscle and gassed out. I fully expect him to go back to his regular weight where he had more stamina. Father time waiting in the wings wont help though but as they say while foot speed is the first to go, power is eternal!

You raise good points about Wilder's age and activity levels. He's gassed badly in a lot of fights where he didn't get the quick KO and it's too late for him to change his style. For me its a 50:50 fight. Fury had the mass to tie up Wilder and wear him down. Wilders punches seem to travel a long way so fighting inside is a smart strategy but one that AJ will not employ. Key for AJ is - can he avoid a bomb for long enough for Wilder to exhaust himself and pick him apart. That's clearly what he's working on but I still think his lack of lateral movement makes him an easy target. Whatever, it will be exciting.
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For me it's a 50:50 but at the moment I lean 55:45 to AJ. A confident AJ and I'd be 65:35. It's certainly who will land first and how they deal with getting caught. I just feel AJ has the ability to land first and the power to put Wilder on queer street and finish him but that doesn't mean I'd be shocked at a telegraphed Wilder bomb ending the party.

It's a spectacular fight that I wish was for undisputed but until Fury gets the balls to fight Usyk, it's the biggest heavyweight bout possible.

The Saudi money has ruined the Heavyweight division at world level but it could be awesome at the UK domestic / 2nd tier level. There are a lot of up and coming fighters who could easily populate a tournament like the super 6.
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The next generation of heavyweights look promising for sure. I feel it's either going to be Sanchez or Anderson who reign supreme. Unless a new challenger arises.
 
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Presser is on for Buatsi vs Azeez.

Looking forward to this fight. Buatsi had heaps of potential but either due to himself or, rather unlikely, Matchroom moved him too slowly. He's a fun fighter to watch because in the ring he is always on smoke and fights fire with fire. Azeez has been fun to watch do it the hard but correct way. Southern Area, English, Commonwealth and European champion. He fights in a similar vein to the Marvellous one and I think he gives a lot of people problems

Ultimately, I do think Buatsi has a bit too much pedigree but I love Dan's attitude and pressure fighting skill. Decent British fight, this should be.
 
Clown world. He just wants to be centre of attention

Usyk vs Dubois on the weekend. Baring DDD catching lightning in a bottle I think it’s going to be a long night for him.

The only reason I give Dubois a chance is due to his recent link up with Don Charles. I genuinely think Chisora gave Usyk his hardest fight at heavyweight yet. I don’t know if Dubois has it in him to fight the same pressure style as Del-Boy can do both from a style aspect but also I’m not sure that he has that dog in him. When the going gets tough we saw what he did against Joe Joyce (tbf I wouldn’t want my face getting touched up if I broke my orbital) and that last guy he fought, the cruiserweight, I think Lorena? He had him taking the knee.

It’s heavyweight and anything can happen and DDD can certainly punch. He’ll also be fresher and have youth on his side.

Usyk in 8 OR Usyk UD.
 
I used to think he was just a lunatic and really was going to fight everybody and anybody but yea, it appears to be just a big performance from him. I hope Eddie Hearn is right though and the one time John Fury does actually chin somebody it's him :p
 
weigh in complete. Usyk coming in a tiny bit heavier than he did for the AJ fights at 220.9lbs and Dubois actually coming in at a potentially career lightest (haven't checked boxrec previous fights so I could be wrong) at 233.2lbs. He's usually around 240.

I expect he has lost some muscle to try and conserve a bit more energy and not to gas out. Usyk fights at a very fast pace.

Respect to Daniel and I wish him well but I don't see past a Usyk win. I said either TKO in 8 or UD. Leaning more towards a referee/corner stoppage.
 
Junglist said:
weigh in complete. Usyk coming in a tiny bit heavier than he did for the AJ fights at 220.9lbs and Dubois actually coming in at a potentially career lightest (haven't checked boxrec previous fights so I could be wrong) at 233.2lbs. He's usually around 240.

I expect he has lost some muscle to try and conserve a bit more energy and not to gas out. Usyk fights at a very fast pace.

Respect to Daniel and I wish him well but I don't see past a Usyk win. I said either TKO in 8 or UD. Leaning more towards a referee/corner stoppage.
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Intresting?
 
Dubois has been a bit overhyped so far unfortunately, he's not really fought anybody of note above domestic level other than Joyce, even in one of his last fights he was lucky to get through the first round. I do think some of the criticism is unwarranted though, especially with how the Joyce fight ended, he took a lot of stick being labelled a quitter/coward even though he fought through most of the fight with the injury and quite possibly saved himself from career ending damage, I think he did his knee or ankle in that near first round disaster too to come back and win? You can hardly question his heart tbh.

I also heavily favour Usyk in this, but I really hope Dubois goes and gives it a proper go, he still has that punchers chance. Lower weight wise I would agree it's likely to just conserve cardio and give him a little more in the gas tank down the road if he can't make anything happen early. There's no shame in losing to somebody like Usyk, so long as he doesn't shy away and leave us with what ifs like AJ did.
 
Fraud Jr's been chatting **** again, he kinda fell over in the last fight :o

Has there be a more loathsome fighter in the last 20 years? He's only in the sport because of his father and has achieved absolutely nothing, would love to see him retired permanently in the rematch.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Fraud Jr's been chatting **** again, he kinda fell over in the last fight :o

Has there be a more loathsome fighter in the last 20 years? He's only in the sport because of his father and has achieved absolutely nothing, would love to see him retired permanently in the rematch.
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Even his dad called him a charlatan in a talksport interview
 
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