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Soldato
Looks like he just fell on his toe ?!
Id hate to think theres fixing in the ufc and mma in general, its the only sport I see which would never have a major fixing I mean when u see how people have broken there bones and had there eye ball sliced (check rich franklins fight against liddel)..... and ear torn off and left half hanging its not exactly something that can be fixed !
But having said that any sport can be fixed, id just thought UFC/MMA would be far less!
Id hate to think theres fixing in the ufc and mma in general, its the only sport I see which would never have a major fixing I mean when u see how people have broken there bones and had there eye ball sliced (check rich franklins fight against liddel)..... and ear torn off and left half hanging its not exactly something that can be fixed !
But having said that any sport can be fixed, id just thought UFC/MMA would be far less!
Looks to me like he is dropping to his knees to shoot a double and gets hit on the way down, nothing dodgy about that.
Taktarov vs Macias at UFC 6 is a known work although Taktarov probably wasn't in on it.
Coleman vs Takada from PRIDE 5 is another known work, and actually rather embarrassing to watch.
Can't decide on that, hmmm.
Caporegime
Looks like he is dropping down to go for the takedown and takes a bop to the nose on the way.. and then tries to continue to grab him from there?
Soldato
yeah cos he got the take down so quick and scored on points.... cant really say it was fixed like... its not like he didnt try lol
Soldato
Am glad I saw this thread because I have a question, is there gona be one of those usual videos that comes out before UFC 130, like a count down thing, there usually is one but I been looking out for it and havent seen it?
Also I cant believe brock is ill again, gutted about that.
on ultimate fighter, when was this series made that we're watching now? because am wondering why they havent said anything about brock being ill on the series?
Also I cant believe brock is ill again, gutted about that.
on ultimate fighter, when was this series made that we're watching now? because am wondering why they havent said anything about brock being ill on the series?
Soldato
Is Bamma another fighting organisation like UFC and strikeforce? Also what other organisations is there that are still going these days with scheduled fights?
Thanks.
Yeah Bamma is the top UK MMA org since Cage Rage went kappuuttt.
You also have Bellator, Dream, Sharkfights and the M1 Challenge to name a few. There are many more smaller shows all over the place.
You also have Bellator, Dream, Sharkfights and the M1 Challenge to name a few. There are many more smaller shows all over the place.
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Was just watching this video, and thought I'd never seen this fight before. Franklin v Shamrock from TUF1 Finale. So I looked it up on youtube. People were suggesting it was fixed.
Look at the way he falls.
when this fight happened was shamrock not like 50 years old or something (exaggeration i know but i mean past it), he has taken a lot of punishment over the years and dealt it out too. he seemed to just gas out and his stand up has never been the best, he is more of a submission style i think. dont know what round franklin won in, but i think shamrock just failed to show up.
i think cardio is the most underlooked thing in MMA, sure the rounds are long but when you look at george st pierre and frankie edgar especially, you can tell the reason why they are at the top is due to cardio as well as their skills. same with boxers like mayweather.
i think shamrock doesnt believe in training hard or cardio that much, if i remember correctly from that season he done on TUF, he called a lot of training sessions off and let his guys just do whatever they wanted some times. there have been some real bad coaches on TUF and he was certainly one of them, the dude JDS fired also had an attitude problem, and the fat guy lesnar has is a joke too.
what was that "launching pad" all about? it was just as bad as the time matt hughes trolled matt serra saying as soon as the fight starts you should drop to your knees, at least that way he cant knee you or kick you in the face.
i honestly dont know what i would have said if i was matt serra in that situation, i think i would have just told him to **** off and quit wasting our time, then had a word with the coach or dana white, matt hughes brought nothing for them to learn in that season, he was just their spying on them and messing around wasting their time.
DUde the "fat guy" you are referring to on Brocks Coaching team is Erik Paulson, he is far from a joke he is a pioneer of the sport and a legend :/
He has coached Ken Shamrock, Josh Barnett, Megumi Fuji and Renato Sobral to name a few.
He is a catch wrestling badass and trained in jeet kune do and various other martial arts, a real MMArtist. So what he is fat now, he is retired.
Oh and it was Franklin telling Serra to drop to his knees when the fight started, not Hughes.
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Double post, doh!
Soldato
They film it a few months before they air it. As far as I know the whole season is filmed before the 1st episode is even shown on TV so it gives them time to do all of the editing.
Explains too why so many of Dana's interviews on the show he is wearing the same thing in the exact same place in the gym. Probably gets interview and gives his opinions after everything has already taken place.
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i just watched that video, fatty is 3 times the size now of what he used to be and correct me if im wrong, is he not brock's stand up coach? in that video there was 0 KO's or standup wins, all submissions.
the guy has zero stand up apart from some leg kicks. correct me if im wrong, in his current condition there is no way he can kick like he used to, therefore he cannot even demonstrate the best part of his stand up, also look at the movement when he is submitting guys, if he tried to do that now, he would just fall over and suffocate the guy or injure himself.
the guy is a joke, just answer this question. what are your thoughts on "the launching pad"?
also when he has those pads on his hands, his movement within the ring is hardly amazing, he is just like a slow moving punch bag. i cannot believe they have picked a submission specialist for teaching stand up, you should never have shown me that video, im going to be laughing next time i see him.
one of the worst pieces of advices i have seen given out. and it may have been franklin, i cant remember it was so long ago, i dont like re-watching something i have already seen unless i really liked it.
the guy may have been good at submitting people in the past, but i really dont think he has been any good on the show, i'll need to watch the episode that came out this week and last week, see if he had any benefit to the team.
its the same as that drunk french guy who st pierre brought on who had stayed in thailand, drinking and fighting. all he did was kick the **** out of them all. it didnt look like he actually taught them anything. dont care how good he is at fighting or what he has done in the past, they are there to coach the fighters.
one of the best boxing coaches i had when i was younger, had never stepped foot in the ring, but he taught me more than other's who had. some guys are good at teaching others are not.
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He has got 1 KO win, this doesn't mean he hasn't got good standup, maybe not KO power but he has solid standup. He was a submission specialist when he competed what nearly 2 decades ago! You think he hasn't kept improving his skills since 1993....
What you need to realise is he started competing in MMA before it was even called MMA, no gloves very few rules and he is part of the wave of people who began cross training.
He is trained in:
Black Belt Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu,
Black Belt Judo,
Black Belt Tae Kwon Do,
Full Instructor Jeet Kune Do
Full Instructor Filipino Martial Arts
Full Instructor Muay Thai under Ajan Chai.
I'd say someone belted in TKD, JKD and full instructor in Muay Thai has some standup knowledge...
When he is holding pads he doesn't need to dance round the ring :/ it's improving hand speed and technique not sparring.
If he is no good at grappling why is Brock who can train with anyone he wants training with him, why did Josh Barnett learn to grapple from him. He has trained Megumi Fuji to be the #2 in her weightclass in the world with 23 wins out of 24 fights.
He is an amazing coach, he doesn't need to be fit like he used to to train someone else to fight.
I agree some are good at teaching and others aren't, but having stepped into the ring brings a different element to things which you don't experience until you have done so. Don't necessarily need to have been a champion, but to have at least been there.
BTW I have no idea what you are talking about with this launchpad, I have not been watching this series of TUF.
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he gives advice on this technique called "the launching pad", its hilarious, i was watching it and thinking, there is no way an MMA coach is seriously telling a fighter to try and do that in a fight.
its a jab to the face, but you keep your jab in the persons face holding their chin up, as soon as it connects though, you throw your hook and you move your jab just before your hook connects (holding opponents chin up) to connect with the guys chin.
personally i was told by a professional boxing coach to keep my guard up at all times. as if my hands were glued to my face. this guy is saying throw your punch and keep it out there whilst you throw the other one.
what are your thoughts?
personally i would have brought him in as a submission coach, not stand up coach.
I know the punch you are talking about and I've actually used something similar, if you throw it fast and they are covering up and backing up there is less chance of a counter. Good head movement is more important than keeping your hands up.
I guess you are imagining this happening in slow motion, which it wouldn't be.
Boxing is not MMA, hence Chuck in his prime walked around with his hands damn near his waist most of the time. You can get away with things due to threat of kicks/takedowns.
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i know but personally i dont see the point in keeping your hand out there, i was told if your gonna throw your right, you should be pulling your left away as soon as you think of throwing your right.
personally - i think this is over thinking punching. if your fast enough, you can do the exact same thing, without leaving your jab in the guys face.
anyway this guy is clearly a submission specialist, impressive for his time, i didnt think he was that old tbh, but there is no way i would use this guy for teaching stand up, submissions yeah.
did you see the drunk french coach george st pierre brought in, he was a joke too.
I'm sure he isn't teaching every 1 2 combo use this, it's just another tool in the box.
Your jab should snap back asap regardless of throwing the right hand, when throwing a standard jab anyway.
I wouldn't say it's overthinking, it's another tool and if used well would guarantee a nice sold punch on an exposed chin.
He wasn't just impressive for his time, he is still impressive now and his reputation amongst the knowledgable MMA community is that of a world class MMArtist.
Just because you only see him teaching standup, doesn't mean he isn't teaching the grappling also. You don't see 95% of what happens.
Your jab should snap back asap regardless of throwing the right hand, when throwing a standard jab anyway.
I wouldn't say it's overthinking, it's another tool and if used well would guarantee a nice sold punch on an exposed chin.
He wasn't just impressive for his time, he is still impressive now and his reputation amongst the knowledgable MMA community is that of a world class MMArtist.
Just because you only see him teaching standup, doesn't mean he isn't teaching the grappling also. You don't see 95% of what happens.