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***The Official Guitar Thread***

Discussion in 'Music, Box Office, TV & Books' started by Nitefly, Apr 11, 2015.

  1. Nitefly

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Sep 24, 2005

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    The bit where it alternates between the two shapes at the end of that run is definitely a bit of a confusing finger twister! It’s deffo picked every note. I couldn’t do that at full speed. That said, I’ll try and offer some tips... even though you’re clearly better than I :o

    You may want to see if it’s your right hand or your left hand letting you down. Can you pick the triplets without moving your left hand? If not, it’s just a case of picking one note mega slow and working up with the metronome. The angle of the pick is key, as is plectrum type. Anything but 0.60 tortex is a waste of time IMO I have no idea how people use those mega heavy ones :p I have no doubt you know this but pick angle should be tilted in both axis... like this.

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    As for the left hand, slow it right down and see how far that pinky is flying away from the fretboard. If it’s going way up, you’ll never get it down.. so focus on controlling him. This is what I’ve been up to... except that I’ve been doing runs on the low E string and A string - my picking is flying all over the place. I want to get that tornado of souls riff down and it’ll never happen at speed with this dreaded pinky; arrrgh :p

    That initial run you’ve been practicing is also on my list of exercises where I’m trying to move my fingers as little as possible. God, really makes you realise how poopy you are when you’re fingers fly off all over the place when you slow it down. I appreciate that they do have to move a bit but for the purpose of getting more control in the long run I’m being really strict with myself.
     
  2. uncle_rufus

    Mobster

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    Appreciate the tips - everyone is learning and I'm far from a great player! I've been playing for a loooong time (probably almost 20 years) but I've never had lessons, and for about the first 5-8 years I just didn't bother to try and learn any sort of lead playing (I just kind of assume that without proper lessons it would be out of my reach)... Have made okay progress since Youtube etc. made lesson content so much easier to access

    So I'm not too bad but nowhere near as good as you'd expect of someone with this amount of time under their belt! I think my rhythm playing is pretty strong though.

    Your point about pick angle, not sure from the picture but in my experience for fast playing, especially on the heavy strings, you often want the pick angled the other way to what you're showing there - i.e. slanted backwards... the idea being that the pick doesn't connect with the strings below the one/s you're trying to play (requiring extra movement to pull it up before you can move it back into position for the next downstroke)... Master of Puppets rhythm parts are an absolute masterclass in playing that way... all downstrokes and very fast
     
  3. Nitefly

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    Very interesting - my photo was purposefully for alternate picking but I only play it slightly less angled down picking (mainly to avoid a scratchy sound) - I’ll check it out! :)
     
  4. tedmaul

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    I can pull together a few tips around this stuff if you like? Maybe over a basic 3 chord 12 bar blues or something? I wouldn't worry too much about scales at this point, you can get a lot of mileage out of just pentatonic plus the dominant 7th arpeggios for each of the 3 chords - that's really where that nice sound is coming from you're hearing when you emphasise the third (great that you've picked that out by ear btw - it's the fundamental starting point to improvising over changes). b7 can sound great too. Just mapping that stuff out over each chord and getting it under the fingers automatically can be a bit of work initially but it's a first step through a gateway that can get you improvising over anything.
     
  5. Nitefly

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    Cheers for this! I didn’t have a chance to play yesterday so will have a look at those dominant 7ths this evening :)
     
  6. Nitefly

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    All quiet from me this week as been busy with work but have had a few sessions. Currently sat outside world guitars waiting for it to open because I’m going to get my guitar set up.

    Obscene guitar porn incoming to this thread!
     
  7. Raymond Lin

    Capo Crimine

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    Location: Wish i was in New York

    I love that store, my “local”.
     
  8. Nitefly

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    Fap fap fap fap fap.

    They were kind enough to undo the horrific tweaking I had done and now the angel is singing. I have a huge amount of guitar books incoming, ones about how to improvise and use scales in context and have ‘speed mechanics’ to keep me busy with.

    Gunna be a good weekend!
     
  9. Spacedeck

    Mobster

    Joined: Sep 14, 2007

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    Location: West Yorkshire, England

    I do now. It's pretty fun but somewhat hard. I think I've messed up though, my guitar suffers the buzzing and also the game wasn't always registering some frets properly, even when played correctly. After looking up about potential problems, I thought it could be the bridge / intonation issue, so I set about working on that today. Now I have changed them enough I don't exactly know what I'm doing anymore.

    How much should a general setup cost and possibly a restring? as these strings have been on since I bought it a good few years ago, even though it's had very little use in that time and has been in a padded bag
     
  10. uncle_rufus

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    A half-decent setup which will include a new set of strings ought to be around £50 depending on where you take it

    Some of my guitars buzz a little in certain spots but generally unless it affects the sound when amplified I just don't care!
     
  11. almostgfx

    Hitman

    Joined: Aug 9, 2011

    Posts: 863

    Location: Derbyshire

    Cleaned up and grabbed a few shots outside.
    Owned this from new since 2008, By far my favourite guitar
    Jackson pro series RR24 Rhoads (Limited Edition 75 made)
    Hardly ever played it, might get it professional put back into standard instead of Drop C
    see if it gets me to play it more as most songs i learn and play now are either standard or half step.

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  12. Mr.E.

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    Have you got it set to dynamic difficulty ? If you miss notes it reduced the amount you have to hit, and vice versa.
     
  13. Nitefly

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    This weekend I watched the ‘cracking the code’ YouTube series on picking which I think you’ll enjoy. It initially concludes that downward pickslanting solves everything and then ultimately determines that you need to slant the pick both ways depending on which string you are hopping to next. I think you’ll enjoy it the series - it’s a cool history lesson if nothing else! The first hour and a half is mostly filler but it’s fun.
     
  14. GiraffePencils

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    Loads of electric chat in here, anyone keen on acoustic? :)
    I play almost entirely fingerstyle arrangements and was wondering if people had any inspiration for songs they like etc?

    I find myself going round the same pieces and getting stuck in a rut :/
     
  15. Spacedeck

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    Just dropped my guitar off, came out at £36 for the setup + strings. Providing nothing else is found to increase that, I think the price is pretty good. Hopefully I'll be picking it back up on Thursday.
     
  16. GiraffePencils

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    Place near me it's 20 per half hour + expenses.
    So your strings etc is an expense then cost changes depending on how long they need to spend.
    Usual check over/truss adjust is just the half hour so comes out much the same
     
  17. Spacedeck

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    I don't understand how the pricing works. This guy has a list of repairs that can be done with prices and charges £30 / hour. I already paid the £36, so will I need to pay more come Thursday when I pick it up?

    Is the setup an expense and I'll have more to pay for the time taken?
     
  18. GiraffePencils

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    No, sorry.
    My guy takes as long as it takes( and gives an estimate etc)
    And if he replaces stuff that's an expense
    So half hour setup :20
    New strings :10-15(depends on what you have)
    So comes to 35
     
  19. Andrew_McP

    Wise Guy

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    Location: South North West

    Last thing I've learned is Tainted Love, which wasn't a song I thought I wanted to play until I heard this...

    Sadly I can't make my hands play like him... I just can't do percussive stuff well yet. But I can bluff my way through his tab to play something that sounds good enough... until I hear him again and get depressed. :)

    What I aspire to playing is this...

    ...which is another song I didn't think I was interested in until I heard this arrangement. I can't even master the first part of the tab, which is free, and I'm reluctant to hand over a tenner for fear of running out of talent at about £1.50. Besides, I have no end of stuff in pdf form that I can't play yet, so no need to spend money to get depressed. ;-)

    Also on my practice list at the moment are...

    ...the tone of that guitar's horrible, but the tab's ok. I've learned this one of his too...

    ...but I still haven't mastered bars 29-32 despite months of fiddling with it. My fingers are stubborn! But then I waited a bit late in life to discover I could play better than I ever expected.

    Better is always relative though. YouTube is a never ending source of inspiration and depression. :)

    Before I snuff it I'd like to be able to something like this...

    ...but I will need to live to be about 150 without getting arthritis if that's going to happen. Besides, I can barely play the basic pattern so far. [Edit: talking rubbish about tab availability]

    I can, however, just about manage this guy's version of Oxygene IV, which tickles my ancient teenage self. https://descordesetdubois.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/99-oxygene-iv-j-m-jarre-guitare/
     
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  20. Nitefly

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    What’s with the acoustic riff raff :p