** The Official Mac OS X Leopard First Impressions and Review Thread **

Dr Jones said:
Is it me or is Hotmail.com playing up on safari?

It just keeps loading between 2 pages and then finally load a page that says hotmail error?
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I've had this problem for a couple of weeks now (Tiger, obviously). Tried resetting Safari but to no avail. Started happening shortly after I updated my MSN software, so I think that might be the culprit. Maybe. Its weird. Its very annoying but it works in firefox so at least I can access it.

@Doug - good point. :)
 
Re: safari problem with hotmail:

Might be worth trying safari with its debug menu activated, so you can select IE6 as its identifier - this may or may not help things of course.

To enable the debug menu copy and paste the following into Terminal (make sure safari isn't running beforehand).

% defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

Restart safari and there should now be a debug menu at the top-right.

I think you then select MSIE6 from the Useragent selection menu?

If you want to remove it again I guess you add the same code into Terminal with a 0 value instead of 1.
 
Oh the irony of apples new OS blue screening left right and centre... ;)

http://www.computerworld.com/action...icleBasic&articleId=9044398&source=rss_news10

Funny how MS got "M$$$$$$OMGSLOLZRipoff" posts from the mac crowd earlier in the year because a Vista upgrade to home premium was ~£100 with OEM at £70 and now £80 is reasonable for an OS because it's Leopard...

Almost every accusation thrown at Vista at the time seem to apply to Leopard. All the "new" features in Leopard seem to be either already in Tiger or copied from Vista, sure it looks nice but that's a lot of money to pay for compatability problems, sluggish performance and a pretty front end.

I'm just sayin'..... people in glass houses and all that :D
 
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Caged said:
I've found this loads - Spotlight only seems interested in searching user profiles and Applications, it won't look inside "system" folders like Library etc.
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yeah seems like they've cut off system level searching, quite annoying. Hopefully this will be fixed, can't see anything to change it in user accounts or spotlight in system preferences.
 
Athanor said:
Almost every accusation thrown at Vista at the time seem to apply to Leopard. All the "new" features in Leopard seem to be either already in Tiger or copied from Vista, sure it looks nice but that's a lot of money to pay for compatability problems, sluggish performance and a pretty front end.

I'm just sayin'..... people in glass houses and all that :D
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I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say but most OS X 10.5 upgrades have gone without hitch, so that's a non issue really.

Secondly Vista Home Premium is over £200 for the full version. Youu cannot compare Leopard to the upgrade version of Vista as their is no such thing as an upgrade version of OS X. So £80 (or £5.95 in my case! :D ) is very good value for money compared to Vista.

Finally your suggestion that Tiger/Leopard copy from Vista is a joke. Microsoft copy features from OSX. What's the betting that Windows 7 has Spaces and QuickLook or some other "killer" feature?

Oh and most people are reporting that Leopard runs faster than Tiger, but that's what you should expect. Tiger was faster than Panther on most hardware.

Yeah, we OS X users shouldn't throw stones as our OS of choice isn't perfect but it is a lot better than Windows...

Me? I prefer XP in PC Land and that's what my non mac computers use. Fast and stable and good for playing games on ;)
 
90% of these 'innovations' have been taken from linux and/or bought from independent developers, neither MS or Apple can take credit for being innovative for many things about their OS'
 
chex said:
90% of these 'innovations' have been taken from linux and/or bought from independent developers, neither MS or Apple can take credit for being innovative for many things about their OS'
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That's how it's always been though.
 
I would say the only thing that's a rehash from another OS and I really don't want to start picking Leopard apart as it's too good for that ;) is Spaces looks like the virtual desktops from Linux distros.

Given OSX's lineage (Nextstep/Openstep/BSD) we'll forgive them for that! :)

Edit: comment too late!
 
These innovations taken from Linux / independent distributors... fair point on that but bringing it to a more "Average Joe" user friendly environment, Apple has done it better than MS (IMO). That is the big different for me when comparing MS to Apple.
 
LordSplodge said:
Secondly Vista Home Premium is over £200 for the full version. Youu cannot compare Leopard to the upgrade version of Vista as their is no such thing as an upgrade version of OS X. So £80 (or £5.95 in my case! :D ) is very good value for money compared to Vista.
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Not sure what you mean, as you don't buy a Mac without an OS, Leopard is by default an upgrade... In fact the default install option for Leopard is "upgrade". In both OS cases you go from a system with an earlier OS to one with a newer one :confused:

Despite being a closed system with the OS only working on Apples own hardware (which you are forced to buy as opposed to chosing from thousands of cheaper and faster alternatives) it's still having blue screen problems significant enough for Apple to have had to issue a specific tech update document. I'd say that's hardly a non issue for the people having those problems.

Leopard seems to be late and fails to deliver any real compelling reason to upgrade if you already have a system with Tiger. It's a bit of fluff to the UI and a few rehashed features available on other OS already and one or two "new" features you never new you needed until Jobs said you do ;).

Granted if you bought a Mac from scratch it's the way to go, but i'm afraid it's looking 8 parts hype to 2 parts real innovation. /shrug

It just strikes me as ironic that a large chunk of the stick given to Vista and it's users by the mac brigade on release seems to apply in large part to Jobs new $ spinner... :D
 
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Athanor said:
Not sure what you mean, as you don't buy a Mac without an OS, Leopard is by default an upgrade... In fact the default install option for Leopard is "upgrade". In both OS cases you go from a system with an earlier OS to one with a newer one :confused:

Despite being a closed system with the OS only working on Apples own hardware (which you are forced to buy as opposed to chosing from thousands of cheaper and faster alternatives) it's still having blue screen problems significant enough for Apple to have had to issue a specific tech update document. I'd say that's hardly a non issue for the people having those problems.
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Just so you know, the "Blue Screen" is not Hardware fault.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375444
It is due to software conflict (and happens when "upgrading")

Sticking to the point of upgrading, what do you mean leopard by default is an upgrade due to the fact that the installer gives you an option as "upgrade"?

Rather shallow of an argument IMO; the fact Apple put it as "upgrade" is because it's possible for the OS install to write over all system files whilst retaining Apps, settings e.t.c. - an install over existing OS, quite akin to Windows 95 to Windows 98 type of "upgrade".

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Apple Preacher and I'm very interested in this Windows Vs Apple debate.

AFAIK, Apple has been doing this type of "Upgrade" on OS X - each advancing along. It is also no big secret that Leopard is more of a Developers "upgrade" than end users 300 new killer apps/features.

I'm still reserving my end judgement of Leopard but as it stands, £58 for this upgrade is worth it - runs much much faster than Tiger is one thing, Time Machine is a blessing, Spaces (coupled with Parallels and Expose) is wonderful:) and I'm still exploring around...
 
Athanor said:
Leopard seems to be late and fails to deliver any real compelling reason to upgrade if you already have a system with Tiger. It's a bit of fluff to the UI and a few rehashed features available on other OS already and one or two "new" features you never new you needed until Jobs said you do ;)
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Vista is terrible, plain and simple.. look at UAC, what a joke.

I wouldn't say Leopard gives you no compelling reason to upgrade.. but it does have a LOAD of minor tweaks that build on the already great feature-set of Tiger, and some. This is where Vista went down the bog.. it tried to reinvent the wheel.

That's not to say that every OS has it's teething problems, and it's not to say Leopard doesn't, but I haven't had any BSoDs or Kernel Panics yet; it's just the Windows crowd were hailing Vista as the "be all and end all" OS for the last 6 years, and when it failed royally then a lot of people took pleasure in pointing and laughing.

As for "just a bit of fluff"... hmmm, *looks at Microsoft*. I will glady say that the features I do use (that aren't in Tiger) is worth £58 to me.
 
Even at £85 it's still cheaper again than what Tiger retail box was when that was first released and the family pack pricing is pretty impressive if you're lucky enough to own several macs.
Mind you, I stumped up £255 for Windows NT when that was released... hmm, I must've had more money to burn back then!
 
:D at the Mac haters.

No harm in picking bones with an operating system at all - infact it makes for good conversation.

But the comparison to Vista and talk of Jobs' talking up features to be bigger than they are, is complete tripe. Users will use the features (believe it or not) on any operating system and will determine how useful it or they may be.

You can call the toolbar at the top, a transparent layout-setter for your existence within the operating system and its lifespan - but it's still a toolbar. It'll still be treated and used as one, and at the end of the day, it's a toolbar.

Just because Jobs or whoever may talk up a feature or part of the product (which is his job, he's hardly going to come out and say 'Leopard blows') doesn't mean that every single Apple user is going to dribble over it or uptalk its uses and actual 'usability'.

It's an insult to think that any computer user can't form an opinion of their own on an operating system or feature within one - OS X, Windows or one of the fifty-seven million available distros of Linux.

Not for the first time I sense an overwhelming urge from some members of the PC computer crowd to poke at Leopard's release without any facts or actual interesting / thought-provking opinions.

I can't help but feel Vista's nightmare start to its life (and it's a decent operating system before anyone starts) has prompted a little jealousy or frustration...

Leopard is a decent update to an already excellent operating system. Whilst Apple or indeed Microsoft don't hold a knife to the genitalia of its users (of previous products) to upgrade - there is justified change within Leopard to charge (what is) a decent price for it (imo).
 
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Windows started annoying me before I'd ever used a Mac. I tried Linux for a while but that wasnt working out - too high maintenance. Then I started reading about OSX. It seemed to fit the bill but I was put off by the price of Macs. I finally went out on a limb a few years ago and bought one. I havent really looked back since. It does exactly what I want, but for a price.

I think all three operating systems have their place.
 
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