** The Official Mac OS X Leopard First Impressions and Review Thread **

My Leopard is on a TNT wagon somewhere between Luton and here. :cool:

R.I.P ;)

Some things to report, Leopard just didn't want to connect to my University network.

It picked up the network and signal, but wouldn't display a webpage because it didn't have an IP. Is that the fault or Leopard or the network? I never had to do it with Tiger.

Anyway, after hoking and poking I eventually got it connected. I think it was unticking 'remember this network' that did the trick.

Bloody annoying.
 
It's in the pipeline, and will be released as an update as it was with Tiger; I don't see the issue.. they never claimed it would be a launch item.

I don't know why you insist on posting stuff that's obviously going to cause a riot.
Bit techy aren't you, can I introduce you to a sense of humour.

Comon, after all the stick the Windows users got in other areas of the forum about Vista from Mac users you really can't complain about getting a little bit of stick back for a change. :D

Well, I suppose you can complain, and appear to be doing so, jeeze...
 
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I installed Leopard over the weekend and everything went absolutely wonderfully, not a single problem. All my old apps work, and the new features are superb, especially Stacks and Quick Look and it is most definately faster. I don't like the new dock though, it just seems to be flashy for the sake of it. :)
 
I thought the point about being an upgrade compared the price of the full version of Vista Ultimate (mega £££) with the full version of Leopard (fairly reasonably priced). Everyone got so hung-up on the term 'upgrade' that a fairly big tangent was added to the course of the convo...

Panzer
 
I have my disc and I am doing an ""Erase and Install" as we speak. Will post my thoughts once it has completed... as long as I don't get the Blue Screen ;) :p

You'll be fine as you are doing an erase and install!

Its nice being able to install an OS then having not to download 100 odd os updates, chipset updates, sound updates, graphics updates and copious amounts of other updates individually, just go to software update and get them quickly.

Saves masses amounts of time!

Josh
 
Well I have done my "Erase & Install" and it all went well, very well in fact.

Here's my thoughts:

- Don't like the installer. It doesn't tell you what is happening, instead you get a progress bar and time remaining. Good for new users, rubbish for people like me who want to know what the hell is going off

- Don't like the new dock (when on the bottom) as it is too busy and the little lights that show what is running are hard to see. Dock is better on the side than the old Tiger dock though.

- Like Stacks. Nice and clutter free.

- Like CoverFlow...hey it's like iTunes!

- Love QuickView and the new Finder. Easier than the old Tiger.

- The best bit for me is how well it integrates with my Windows network and shows all the shares/servers automatically. Networking seems a lot better.

- Performance. Was worried at first at it was slower than Tiger but now it has done its stuff (building Spotlight indexes etc...) it feels a lot faster.

I have two niggles to fix:

1. QuickSilver. The website is down so I can't get it. Anybody have the latest version?

2. Firefox. My Delicious bookmarks aren't working, this means I am in Safari at the moment and that sucks...

Overall a good update on Tiger and well worth £5.95 :p :D
 
So can a Windows XP upgrade (I realise they changed it for Vista) - but that does rather stop your argument from making any sense at all. Whether you install Leopard on a blank disk or not, it's only ever being installed (legally) on Apple hardware which had to be bought with a licensed version of the operating system. So as far as the pricing goes you're in a situation where, if you were a Windows user, you'd only have to buy the upgrade version. You can't compare the pricing to the full retail version of Windows when Apple have already included the cost of the operating system in the cost of the hardware.

Not legally you can't with any windows upgrade. The license agreements are fundametally different.
 
1. QuickSilver. The website is down so I can't get it. Anybody have the latest version?

2. Firefox. My Delicious bookmarks aren't working, this means I am in Safari at the moment and that sucks...

Give Safari a chance, I did and I've grown to liking it now :)

As for QS, might sound silly but have you tried googling? :p
http://www.pure-mac.com/launchers.html#quicksilver

I often visit Pure Mac for softwares and updates :)
 
I think PP was refering to the fact that with XP you could install onto a blank disk legally without having to first install the previous OS. As I remember you just had to insert the original disk of the earlier OS at a point in the install to confirm you had an appropriate previous OS.

The gist of the conversation was around price though and just illustrating that for the upgrade from a previous OS to Vista is in the same ball park as the upgrade from OSX 10.4 to 10.5 (given that you wouldn't have a Mac with no prior OS it's in effect just as much of an upgrade as the Vista upgrade edition).

It wasn't so much the process as illustrating it was disingenuous to compare Leopard to Vista FPP price wise as there are cheaper alternatives that produce the same result.

For real pedants we could have just quoted Vista Ultimate OEM for an upgrade free install at ~£60 ;)

Anyway, I think we got to the bottom of this one now and are in danger of flogging a dead horse.
 
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The rainforest was taking its sweet time with my Leopard order, which did me a favour because I just cancelled it. Too many horror stories about (exaggerating slightly) for me to dive in yet. I'm going to wait till 10.5.1 or 10.5.2.

Trouble is, its still going to cost the same a couple of months down the line so its not doing my any favours really. :D
 
Ok mines installed.

And. ITS PERFECT!!!!

4/4 so far for me (10.2/10.3/10.4/10.5)

Everything works!!!

YAY!

Love it :)

Its quicker than Tiger, however not many new features. Mail is quick as tho :o

Love it.
 
Here's my thoughts:

- Don't like the installer. It doesn't tell you what is happening, instead you get a progress bar and time remaining. Good for new users, rubbish for people like me who want to know what the hell is going off

Maybe you mean something else but I'm installing now (w00t! :D) and you can show the install log by pressing Command + L.

Half an hour to go! :D
 
I got mine today. I also got my keyboard today so this is the first time it has booted. I have only installed Adium and set it file sharing. Is it worth me erase and install or just upgrading?
 
Not to mention the legal aspects of buying OEM. And its tied to that machine for life.
What legal aspects? Lets face it the copy of Leopard you'd put on your Mac now is unlikely to ever go to another mac. It'll pretty much stay on the current one as any new mac you buy will have it pre installed. Granted there could be a few circumstances where this isn't the case but they would tend to be the exception.
 
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You could pop a new (blank) harddrive in a Mac and install Leopard just fine :confused:
You could do the same with Vista upgrade, what's your point?

Oh, and OEM.. that's a stripped down copy of the OS (no support, no instructions). There's just 1 version of Leopard.
Vista OEM comes with instructions, and normal web / newsgroup / online support, you just can't raise a voice support call direct with MS.

Wow, you get really upset that someone might have had a fun dig at an OS don't you. I suggest you try to get out more...
 
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