** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

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(Updated May 2016)

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Now that the Titan X is here and represents the pinnacle of the Maxwell architecture, seems like a good time to move on to speculation and news on Nvidia's upcoming architecture Pascal.


To try and keep rumours, leaks, and speculation in one place. A place to discuss everything Pascal here.

 

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Nvidia: ‘Pascal’ architecture’s NVLink to enable 8-way multi-GPU capability

Compute performance of modern graphics processing units (GPUs) is tremendous, but so are the needs of modern applications that use such chips to display beautiful images or perform complex scientific calculations. Nowadays it is rather impossible to install more than four GPUs into a computer box and get adequate performance scaling. But brace yourself as Nvidia is working on eight-way multi-GPU technology.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...-nvlink-to-enable-8-way-multi-gpu-capability/

 

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NVIDIA Updates GPU Roadmap; Unveils Pascal Architecture For 2016

In something of a surprise move, NVIDIA took to the stage today at GTC to announce a new roadmap for their GPU families. With today’s announcement comes news of a significant restructuring of the roadmap that will see GPUs and features moved around, and a new GPU architecture, Pascal, introduced in the middle.

We’ll get to Pascal in a second, but to put it into context let’s first discuss NVIDIA’s restructuring. At GTC 2013 NVIDIA announced their future Volta architecture. Volta, which had no scheduled date at the time, would be the GPU after Maxwell. Volta’s marquee feature would be on-package DRAM, utilizing Through Silicon Vias (TSVs) to die stack memory and place it on the same package as the GPU. Meanwhile in that roadmap NVIDIA also gave Maxwell a date and a marquee feature: 2014, and Unified Virtual Memory.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7900/nvidia-updates-gpu-roadmap-unveils-pascal-architecture-for-2016

 

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Nvidia ‘Pascal’ GPUs to offer up to 10X higher speed than ‘Maxwell’

At its GPU Technology Conference Nvidia Corp. revealed some details about its next-generation code-named “Pascal” architecture of graphics processing units. As expected, the new GPUs will feature numerous innovations that will provide significant benefits in performance in various types of applications.

Nvidia noted three key technologies that the “Pascal” GPUs will have: mixed precision computing, support for stacked multi-layer 3D memory and NVLink GPU bus. As reported previously, the “Pascal” GPUs will be made using 16nm FinFET process technology, therefore, expect increased count of stream processors, and higher clock-rates in addition to architectural enhancements. According to Nvidia, in peak cases, when all improvements come into play, “Pascal” GPUs can be 10 times faster than “Maxwell” GPUs. In typical cases expect next-gen GPUs to be around two times faster than contemporary graphics chips.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...-to-10-times-higher-performance-than-maxwell/

 

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What's the point of 8 way when 4 way barely works regardless of vendor?

Looks as if NVLink along with DX12's new take on multiple GPU's will make multi-GPU scaling and use much better than it currently is.

 

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CEO of Nvidia: Can’t wait to tell you about future ‘Pascal’ products

Chief executive officer of Nvidia Corp. this week said that the company is designing a broad lineup of solutions for different applications powered by its next-generation “Pascal” graphics processor architecture and other technologies from the company. Jen-Hsun Huang seems to be impressed about the prospects of products that are in the company’s pipeline, but he naturally reveals no details. The CEO advices to “wait a little longer” to find out more about them.

The upcoming PK100 and PK104 graphics processing units will not only feature major architectural innovations, but they will also be made using either 14nm or 16nm manufacturing technology with fin-shaped field-effect transistors (FinFETs).

In addition, next-generation graphics processing units from Nvidia will support second-generation stacked high-bandwidth memory (HBM2). The HBM2 will let Nvidia and its partners build graphics cards with up to 32GB of onboard memory and 820GB/s – 1TB/s bandwidth.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...about-future-pascal-products-in-the-pipeline/

 

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So the next flagship whatever they call it (GM200 Successor), might come with more than 12GB HBM 2.0, while the mainstream flagship (GM204 Successor) will likely come with 8GB HBM 2.0.

These cards are going to be epic

Looking forward to seeing AMD's first HBM cards soon, but next year I think these cards are going to have ridiculous performance. Nvidia will no doubt release a monster card to cement their lead after AMD's 3XX series. It's gonna be good

 

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Yup, I'm decided to at least try and hang on for mainstream Pascal. AMD have been far too poor of late regarding drivers (and especially Crossfire profiles!), it'll take some time to get that department right imo...

Yeah I must admit, with Nvidia's 'Gimping with Gameworks' program even if the 390X is a monster it might still have performance issues with Gameworks titles. So in that sense it might make more sense to stick with Nvidia.

We could have a situation where the 390X is 10% faster than Titan X but in Gameworks titles it's a good 10% slower.

To Nvidia's credit they do release drivers for games at launch as well, so even in non Gameworks titles you get good performance. AMD's drivers have been lagging lately. With AMD's renewed focus on high performance we might see better driver support. They do have a new BETA that was released only a few days ago etc..

390X will need to be either fair bit quicker than Titan X, or similar performance but a lot cheaper for me to consider switching. Think AMD have a hard road ahead tbh.

In the meantime Titan X performs like a beast..

 

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If a 32GB card does appear next year I think it would be a pro card not a geforce. Unless developers come to NV requesting it.

We're almost to the point where a game can be installed entirely in VRAM.

+1

Got a feeling that pro cards aside the next flagship Titan esq card (GP200) might come with 16GB, but the mainstream cards (GP204) will come with 8GB.

 

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Nvidia's next-gen Pascal GPU will offer 10x the performance of Titan X, 8-way SLI

If Nvidia's beastly new Titan X graphics card wows you—and it should—well, hold onto your pants: The company said it's next-gen GPU technology, codenamed Pascal, will offer roughly ten times the performance of the Titan X, at least in compute tasks.

The next-generation GPU from Nvidia would also offer a host of new technologies, including 3D-stacked memory and NVLink, said CEO Jen-Hsun Huang during the GPU Technology Conference's keynote in San Jose. The GPU will essentially be a super computer, Huang said, and Nvidia is shooting for it to be ten times faster than today's Maxwell-based GPUs.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898...10x-the-performance-of-titan-x-8-way-sli.html

 

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Tapeout rumour

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...ly-taped-out-on-track-for-2016-launch-rumour/

https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1848329/

Q1 target release date, I suspect this will only be for Teslas as AMD will have 6+ months of Fiji Firepros by then so they need an answer.

Awesome, I'm expecting Pascal and whatever comes after Fiji to make all the current stuff looked dated and slow in comparison.

Hopefully AMD getting to HBM first will light a fire under Nvidia to get Pascal out sooner rather than later.

 

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Doubt it - nVidia are working towards putting HBM on their GPUs that actually need it rather than rushing to stick it on their 28nm cards that don't desperately require it.

This seems an odd thing to say. HBM has enabled AMD to design smaller GPU's, reduce power, and hopefully improve performance. I'm pretty sure those are top priority's for GPU manufacture.

 

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nVidia aren't exactly struggling with 2 out of those 3 though to the point they'd feel a need to rush out Pascal - unless the Fury is significantly faster than people are expecting.

Yeah I see what you're saying, the other thing is AMD could be unchallenged until next year with HBM. If it enables AMD to take the performance crown or even compete directly with Nvidia's GM200 I expect Nvidia would like to have an answer sooner rather than later. Nvidia made that choice though, said HBM was to expensive to use this year. The flip side is GDDR5 cards could look dated / overpriced in comparison.

To much uncertainty atm, need to wait for Fiji reviews / benchmarks.

 

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Jezus, imagine the price tag on that

New tier of £2000 single GPU incoming. Think I'll wait for the 'Ti' on Pascal.

 

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GP100 will reportedly rock between 4500 and 6000 CUDA cores / memory bandwidth scaling up to an insane 1.2TB/sec or 1200GB/sec

 

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/insert a 'My Body is Ready' meme here

 

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Now this makes me feel like buying a 980ti was a mistake if these cards are out Q1 2016

But then again the prices of these cards might be insane like the Titan X

+1

Pascal looks like a proper upgrade. I hope to see Titan X performance for under £300.

I think Titan X level of performance will still be pricey.

My guess is the next 'Titan' Full GP200 card will come with 16GB of HBM 2.0, and the GP204 or GP204 Ti will have 6GB's/8GB's of HBM 2.0.

If you're not an hardware addict like myself, I think the cards that we'll get next year are worth waiting for. Expecting a big big jump from both camps.

Die shrink, new architecture, HBM 2.0. It's gonna be good !

Yep, no one will buy the main flagship any more and hold for the Ti's to roll in and do nearly the same thing.

I'm looking forward to Pascal. Exciting times ahead!

Definitely, an 8GB HBM card would be spot on, if Nvidia deliver that with the 'Ti' part that would do me just fine.

 

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I doubt performance will be much different from now until 2020 when the new consoles come out. Maybe the odd PC exclusive but next to no companies do that anymore.

The next lot of consoles stand a really good chance of being beasts. By the time they are going to manufacture, HBM will be well established and 10nm or smaller die nodes will be possible. Will be a huge jump over what we have today, and tbh I'm pretty impressed with my PS4 in most games.

Performance will come, and will be needed to drive 4k me thinks actually

Agreed, PC is just going to pull further and further ahead in the meantime. 4K gaming on a single GPU by the time new consoles launch.

 

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There's probably a 0.001% chance they would do that. Aslong as they find people crazy enough to buy them why not take their money.

Haha, I think the pricing is crazy, but I also think it's good to pump money into the things you enjoy so it can keep getting better. No point always scrimping and scraping on the things you enjoy, Nvidia is expensive but they do put a lot of that money into R&D for better and better products.

When you guys are enjoying you're midrange Pascal cards, just remember it's us Titan X owners that paid for the research

 

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How much did the setup in your sig cost

That's a hard question. Can do it roughly..

Titan X £890
5820K £270
Memory £400
Motherboard £150
2 X 5 TB HDD £240
2 x SSD £250
PSU £80
Case £60
H105 £90

£2500 give or take..