The Official Pizza Discussion thread (was: Cooking Neapolitan Pizzas with the Uuni 3)

yes - I'm still waiting for a better electric solution that I could use anytime of the year, and, indoors, G3 's not really been superseeded.
need manufacture of this (toaster) solution
Heating technology experts have developed an electric pizza oven that can bake a pizza in just 37 seconds – without compromising quality.
I assume, it's really the radiant heat aspect, which the electric oven manufacturer could not deliver at a good price point,
maybe ooni will have to get into the electric game, with carbon emission concerns.

Whats the rush ?

Ooni are great ovens, don't get me wrong, It ignited (see what I did there) my passion to start taking pizza making seriously. That said the whole bake a pizza in 60 seconds or less is nothing more than good marketing.

Quicker cook time does not make better Pizza.
 
Not per se, but if you have high heat capacity refractory blocks and high air temperature you both getting the heat into the dough base, blowing up the air bubbles in the dough, +blisters, and also ensuring it doesn't get soggy from the topping, then it will be fast.
... my problem is generally boiling the moz because cooking the base takes too long, as brick isn't hot enough, or perhaps base is too thick
seems there is even a https://www.800degreespizzeria.co.uk/ - almond wood - should have been 451426 here ?

Hmm if you are finding the base soggy, maybe you are putting too much sauce on ? Also are you cold fermenting the dough, if you dont give enough time once you have took it out of the fridge then that could be another issue. I went on a course a few months ago with a Pizziaola, really good guy. Main take away for me was making sure everything is at room temperature before cooking and that improved my results significantly.
 
We're aiming to get a pizza oven and we have been looking at the koda due to size and seemingly good quality.

One question is related to the clip above. How do you get the pizza onto the peel effectively?

We make pizzas in the oven at present and I always find that the getting the raw pizza onto the stone is a real pain. Do people use a wooden peel to make the pizza on and then use a metal one to turn and remove?

He seemed to have a problem with the pizza deforming as he pushed the metal peel underneath it.

Too much friction will be the issue and there are some easy fixes really.

If you are using a wooden peel to launch your pizza into the oven then make a mix up of some coarse semolina flour and the flour you made for the dough then scrub it gently into the wooden peel. Once you have shaped your dough ball into the base, transfer it onto the peel, put on your sauce and toppings (not too heavy) and then it will go into your oven no problem.

If you using an all metal peel again pretty easy fix for you. Shape your base again as you would and then lift the edge closest to you and put the smallest amount of flour / semolina underneath the rim. Then in a quick motion, slide your peel underneath.

The reason for the flour is that it sits in between your peel and the base. Makes it easy to get the base on the peel then the pizza into the oven. Basically stop it sticking to the peel when launching.
 
I just got a perforated metal peel from the start, it's really easy once you've watched a few YouTube videos to get the technique right. Also I just tried some nduja at home today, I normally just have Margherita but that's some good stuff, nice kick in the aftertaste.

Good stuff. I upgraded my Ooni to a bigger wood fired oven and the perforated peel is fantastic addition
 
What pellets are people using? Almost ran out, ooni ones seem a bit pricey.

Ooni ones are quite expensive. When I used that Ooni 3 I was recommended to use Balcas Brites that you can get from your local Wolseley Centre. A lot of people on the Ooni forums / facebook group recommended them.

https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/balcas-brites-wood-pellet-bag-10kg/

My experience was that they were quite good. Out of five bags, two were a little hit and miss. Maybe they had not been stored properly so we got some yellow smoke due to damp pellets. The other three were ok. Not bad for £5.00
 
I use this one, unsure if its the same as the red above.

10x Farina Molino Caputo Pizzeria by Pizza Napoli Pizza Flour Pizza Flour 1kg : Amazon.co.uk: Grocery

I did a sort of christmas pizza on boxing day, used leftover pigs in blankets as a topping. :cry:

I have used the Caputo Red before, just finished a 25KG sack, really nice flour. Worth noting though that on the Caputo side of things it's a good flour with Great marketing. You can get better for less

https://salvo1968.co.uk/dallagiovanna-pizza-flour-00.html

Caputo red is still a very good flour mind. Have you tried making a starter with the Caputo Manitoba then going onto red for the full mix. NEXT Level flavours.
 
You're confusing pizzaria flour (W260/270) with Soccorosso (W300/320) flour. Soccorosso is the one for long proves.

It's odd you compare red and blue pizzaria differently the only difference is the bag size.

That is not entirely true. Both Red and Blue are available in 1KG / 15KG / 25KG Bags. Red has a slightly higher protein content compared to the blue.
 
They must be telling porkies on their website then.
https://www.mulinocaputo.it/products/?lang=en

I started getting it from Amazon a few years ago but for a case of 10 x 1KG just pay through the nose

When I buy flour I get it from a few different sources

https://www.adimaria.co.uk/rice-flower

or if I shop local I use a Wholesalers in Manchester called Amato https://amatoproducts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Amato-product-list-website.pdf You can see on the price list they do both Caputo Red and Blue in 25Kg sacks
 

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I paid to go onto a professional Pizza making course before Xmas and the thing that stuck in my mind was when the chef told us, that Caputo are great at marketing. Really no such thing as Pizzaria flour.

Caputo Blue = 12.5% Protein
Caputo Red = 13% Protein
Caputo Saccorosso = 13% Protein

The latter two essentially the same bar the packaging.
 
Teacher with 20 years experience running Pizza restaurants...................mmmmkay

I am ok with this as I know full well I have had a 25KG bag of Caputo Blue and Caputo Red in my kitchen. I posted a link with a supplier I use to their price list and it clearly shows, Caputo Blue 25KG / Caputo Red 25KG. So you crack on.

I wouldn't mind, I don't even use Caputo as their is much better flour out their than Caputo.
 
JHC it really is not about defeat. I know I have bout 25kg Caputo red and I know I have bought 25kg Caputo Blue. If you need some kind of reassurance to validate your argument (in a pizza thread of all things) the subject at hand is about Ooni Pizza ovens and the Pizzas cooked in them.

If you need to 'win' then ok crack on, get a life man, 'i'll admit defeat' get a grip
 
I mix my orders up with A Di Maria and my local supplier.

Before Xmas I ordered from my local Italian wholesalers Amato as I am ok to make a collection there. Going off their recommendation on flour so at the moment I am using Mulino Naldoni Sofia Type 00 Flour. https://www.molinonaldoni.it/en/flour/pizza-sofia/25-kg which was £15.99 for a 25KG sack.

I get your point about the convenience of Amazon and what I would say is that they are really competitive on good quality DOP tomatoes. Of course you can go with local tinned from your supermarket but if you want an authentic taste then DOP is the way to go, but it does cost more.

A Di Maria, i find are quite good and usually I would get a couple of different bags of flour, then I add in my month's worth of Fior Di Latte Mozzarella. Think I paid £12.00 for a 2KG Sack. Ok it's pretty big but you can freeze it into the portion sizes you need so a bit of this and a bit of that, A Di Maria is not to bad.

Another company I can recommend is https://www.delicatezza.co.uk/. Very similar set up to A Di Maria. The main benefit of these guys are postage is a little lower at £6.00. More importantly their range of Italian Sausage's and Sausage Mince is really good. I can highly recommend their Sicillian Sausage mince with Fennel. That cooked with some finely sliced shallots in garlic, WOW that is good.

From my point of view, I cook around 8 to 10 Pizzas a week for friends, neighbours and family so 25KG sacks makes it a bit more worthwhile for me. Once i've done with this industry, I will be opening up a Pizzeria
 
The Koda is a great oven. I treated myself to one as an early Xmas present in their Black Friday sale. Probably need to turn the pizzas a little quicker given how close the pizza is to the flame, but once you get your rythm, it's all good.
 
Hi @Repta Not sure if they are available in your area but I used a company called Extra Gas. First Propane Cylinder was of 11Kg was £78.00 then the next one will just be a top up of about £30.00
 
It is roast potato pieces on the pizza (cut small as you don't want to put too much weight on it), the sliced apple was just to keep my daughter occupied whilst pizzas were being made :)

Christmas dinner pizza is roast potato, roast chicken, roast carrots and then chicken stock-soaked bread and sausagemeat from the stuffing.



Thanks - I do 65% hydration (Caputo blue pizza flour) with water mixed to 100 deg F (1/3 boiled, 2/3 tap) and knead in stand mixer for 10 mins before finishing by hand. I let it rest for 1 hr before putting it in the fridge for 3 days for cold ferment. Out of the fridge and balled for a 5 hr prove before being put in the oven. I do the slap-and-stretch method (like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzbW8CZx538&t=140s but a lot less elegantly!) to shape the pizzas.

We have a Kona 16, I launch the pizza when the stone is at 800 F in the middle (on the Ooni logo) and turn the gas down to around half setting, rotate when it's just starting to dot. They take around 45 seconds to cook in the oven.

Sauce for me is San Marzano (well, Californian version!) strained and then blended in a small blender. 1 tsp salt & 1 tsp oregano per 800 g tin of tomatoes (enough sauce for ~6 pizzas).

Great stuff. Started a Poolish mix yesterday morning (approx 30%) and pretty similar methods, although I am going for a 62% hydration for this one. Will post up some pics tomorrow evening after the cold ferment
 
I see well its in the fridge now, so hopefully it will be fine then, I was just going off a video from YT that was posted somewhere on this forum.

Can you link me to a good recipe for dough?

And when storing dough in fridge I normally use small glass containers and add a little oil, (again something I watched on YT).

Thanks


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I might try the ooni recipe, I just never know best method for storing pizza dough, the ooni recipe for example doesn't tell you. It makes 3-5 dough balls but doesn't mention anything about storing them, should I just place in a sealed container for up to a week in fridge or perhaps freeze the dough?

Hey Ken, when you are making your dough, essential ingredients are Flour, Salt, Water, Yeast and the two overlooked ones are time and passion. Freezing dough balls is perfectly fine, you can prob get away with freezing for a month or two. Various different recipe's you can use modify pretty much any recipe. From my experience, one golden rule is the bakers percentage. Make sure you keep everything in grams then you can understand the ratio's. If you are just starting out or not too confident then the straight method is probably the best.

When I went on my course with a pro Pizza Chef, this is the recipe he gave me

- 1000g Strong Flour
- 1g IDY (Instant Dried Yeast) or 2g of Fresh Yeast
- 620g Water at Room Temp
- 21g - 25g of salt depending on your own taste. (I find 25g to be too salty)

Advise getting a thermal temperature probe if you don't have one, costs around £10.00 - £15.00 from the rainforest. It's important as you are aiming for 21 Degrees Celsius for your final dough temperature as this is optimum for the yeast to do it's magic and start helping with gluten network and creating great flavour

1) You should be aiming for a combined temp of around 60 degrees for your flour, ambient room temp and water. So lets say your room temp is 15 degrees, flour is 15 degrees, get your water to 30 degrees. You will modify this over the course of the year, obviously summer is hotter.

2) Mix the water and yeast, let it stand for about 5 mins and make sure all the yeast is dissolved

3) Assuming you are using a stand mixer, put 90% of the water in the bowl and slowly add in 50% of the flour

4) Mix on slow speed until the dough starts to come together (approx 6-8 Minutes)

5) Start to add in the salt and make sure it's fully incorporated into the flour.

6) start to drip in the remaining 10% of the water and mix for a further 6-8 minutes. What you are aiming for is a total mix time of around 12-15 mins and a target dough temperature of 21 degrees.

Once you have achieved this, this is where a little experimentation comes in. Again from personal experience, I find planning backwards really helps e.g. I want Pizza on Saturday, I will start on Thursday morning, Maybe weds night. So you have your final mixed dough, it's at 62% hydration so it should be fairly easy to manage.

7) Transfer to another bowl and now you have two choices. (Bulk Fermentation or 1st Fermentation)

i) Let it rest for two hours
ii) every 30 minutes do the stretch and fold method. Pretty easy and helps build up the gluten network.

From here you can leave at room temperature and let it grow or you can refrigerate and leave it there to 'COLD Ferment' for upto 48 hours. As above, work it backwards, if you want Pizza at say5.00pm you will prob need to take out of the refrigerator earliest 10.00am, latest 14:00.

From here you can ball up and let your balls get to room temp (ding dong) Getting the dough to room temp is important,, I have fallen foul in the past of trying to shape balls into pizza bases within 60 - 90 mins from coming out of the fridge and it's a TASK.

The above is called the straight method for Neopolitan Pizza Dough. Makes very good dough balls that are quite tasty if your overall fermentation time is around 48 hours.

PM if you want some more recipe's. Must have about 10 books here on Pizza methodology, straight dough, poolish starter, biga, NY Style, etc
 
Thanks for this, I have one question once I make the dough, say I make enough for 4 pizzas, can I freeze 3 dough balls straight away after making.

I might try the ooni recipe next, I have been using bread flour, seems like 00 grade flour is good to use as well.

I was just a little unsure about storing the dough for a later date.
That recipe should give you 6 balls at 250g. If you want to freeze then you will be fine. If you use cling film or something similar, advise once you take out of the freezer put in a container. When defrosting it can make it a bit messy
 
A few from this weekend

62% Hydration / 72 Hour Proof with Poolish Starter


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Prob my least favourite way to prep dough but I go back to it time to time and try to tweek and improve.

Pizza Bianca

- Base of Ricotta and Cream gives it much more subtle flavours.
- Thinly sliced Garlic and olive oil
- Topped with Smoked Mozzarella (Scamorza), Parmesan and Rosemary

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Mushroom and Italian Sausage

- Chestnut, Oyster and Foristiere Mushrooms, cooked in Garlic Oil and Oregano then blitzed into base sauce
- Fior Di Latte Mozzarella
- Tuscan Sausage Meat with Fennel and Garlic
- Finished with fresh Parmesan

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Peking Pizza

- Tomato sauce base infused with home made Szechuan Chili Oil
- Slow roasted duck with Hoisin and Plum sauce
- Fior Di Latte
- Finished with Springs onions, Black Sesame Seeds, Sprinkle of sesame oil

Really nice blend of heat and sweet.

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